Irish Guards date?

[grenadierguardsman]

Originally Posted by Alan O

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...hp?albumid=230

Julian has located the s/p for the fixing. 1915 were with vertical shanks.

That won't allow me to view it ?
Andy

[Alan O]

Pattern 8387/1915 slider
Pattern 10906/1936 loops
List of Changes 1951 slider
Pattern 16023/1953 slider moved up 1/4 inch to allow badge to sit lower in the cap

[grenadierguardsman]

Originally Posted by Alan O

Pattern 8387/1915 slider
Pattern 10906/1936 loops
List of Changes 1951 slider
Pattern 16023/1953 slider moved up 1/4 inch to allow badge to sit lower in the cap

Thanks Alan.
Andy

[Alan O]

It's Julian (KLR) who deserves the thanks from me for researching the dates from the archives.

[KLR]

The "vertical shank" (popularly "sliders") was introduced in March 1906 !
Yes, Toby I do have the dates / details - I was somewhere elsewhere..............


For me, it's not just the collecting - it's the research - generally, but particularly KLR)!

If you go to the National Archives and go into WO 359 Royal Army Clothing Department, Records of Changes; Vols 1 - 21,

You will find every badge you want........dates, details etc etc

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by KLR

The "vertical shank" (popularly "sliders") was introduced in ?March 1906 !
Yes, Toby I do have the dates / details - I was somewhere elsewhere.
For me, it's not just the collecting - it's the research - generally, but for me particularly KLR)!

If you go to the National Archives and go into WO 359 Royal Army Clothing Department, Records of Changes; Vols 1 - 21,

You will find every badge you want........dates, details etc etc

Hello Julian, good to link up here again, given our concurrent chat by email. That 1906 date would coincide with the introduction of peaked forage caps, or not long afterwards. I’m aware of it as the date for sliders on line and other arms cap badges and reflecting specifically the change from the Brodrick cap to the universal coloured forage cap (and subsequently drab SD cap). The particular issue here (not sure if you’ve read all the thread) is the Foot Guards alone, whose caps were different and with their cap badge positioned higher up the front. It would be helpful to compare the specifications for all the Foot Guards. Did you keep the notes for them?

[grenadierguardsman]

Originally Posted by KLR

The "vertical shank" (popularly "sliders") was introduced in March 1906 !
Yes, Toby I do have the dates / details - I was somewhere elsewhere..............


For me, it's not just the collecting - it's the research - generally, but particularly KLR)!

If you go to the National Archives and go into WO 359 Royal Army Clothing Department, Records of Changes; Vols 1 - 21,

You will find every badge you want........dates, details etc etc

Thanks Julian.
Andy

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by grenadierguardsman

Thanks Julian.
Andy

Just to be clear that date and reference refers to sliders in general Andy.

[grenadierguardsman]

Originally Posted by Toby Purcell

Just to be clear that date and reference refers to sliders in general Andy.

Thanks Toby.
Andy

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by Alan O

Pattern 8387/1915 slider
Pattern 10906/1936 loops
List of Changes 1951 slider
Pattern 16023/1953 slider moved up 1/4 inch to allow badge to sit lower in the cap

I have the pages 1 to 70 of anodised aluminium badges list of changes and can see that the Welsh Guards alone changed to slider in 1951 with alteration in 1953, Alan, but I can’t find the Pattern reference 8387/1915 that you refer to. On what page is it please, or is it a different document (I’m going cross eyed squinting at ream after ream)?

[Alan O]

KLR did the research not me.

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by Alan O

KLR did the research not me.

Thank you. I understand and am in contact with him.

[Frank Kelley]

Are the War Office records incorrect then?

Originally Posted by Toby Purcell

The original issue Welsh Guards badge from 1915, when the regiment was first formed, had loops (and a solid back), following the same fixing method of all the Foot Guards at the time.

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by Frank Kelley

Are the War Office records incorrect then?

Not sure, I’m looking into it now and will report back either way.

[grenadierguardsman]

Originally Posted by Frank Kelley

Are the War Office records incorrect then?

Yes Frank, thats what I thought ?
Andy