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20-11-20, 05:19 PM
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MARPLES & BEASLEY over BIRMINGHAM maker mark
There seems to be a general consensus on the Forum that the maker mark MARPLES & BEASLEY over BIRMINGHAM should not appear on the sliders of 'other ranks' badges made in white metal (WM), gilding metal (GM) or bi-metal (BIM). The mark is therefore an indicator that the badge is not genuine (i.e. a fake or reproduction), or that it is perhaps a genuine badge and the mark has been added to provide spurious verisimilitude.
The following list (not exhaustive) is an attempt to cover badges that have been seen for sale and/or have been identified on this Forum in recent years. MARPLES & BEASLEY \ BIRMINGHAM 15th Hussars 17th/21st Lancers WM 21st Lancers (VRI) KC GM 22nd Dragoons WM 26th Hussars GM 5th Inniskilling Dragoon Guards KC WM 9th Lancers KC WM Army Air Corps KC WM Artists Rifles WM Duke of Cornwall’s Light Infantry WM East Lancashire Regiment KC BIM Glider Pilot Regiment KC WM Hertfordshire Yeomanry GM Home Counties Brigade WM Intelligence Corps KC GM Lanarkshire Yeomanry GM Manchester Regiment GM (fleur de lys) Norfolk Regiment GM North Irish Horse QC WM Palestine Police KC WM Parachute Regiment KC WM Queen’s Own Yorkshire Yeomanry BIM Rifle Brigade KC WM Royal Dragoons BIM Royal Engineers KC GM Royal Fusiliers 1st Judean Battalion GM Royal Norfolk Regiment GM Royal Ulster Rifles KC WM South Staffordshire Regiment QC BIM Special Air Service BIM Staffordshire Yeomanry KC WM Staffordshire Yeomanry QC WM Welsh Regiment WM (2nd VB) Westmoreland & Cumberland Yeomanry GM I will post some photos as examples. Tim
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20-11-20, 05:32 PM
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More photos:
Tim
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20-11-20, 09:44 PM
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Please comment and add details and images of any examples not listed so far.
Tim
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21-11-20, 08:23 AM
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21-11-20, 09:33 AM
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The purpose of this thread is to highlight that it seems from many posts on this Forum that the MARPLES & BEASLEY over BIRMINGHAM mark should not be found on metal 'other ranks' cap badges. The opinions posted are that the badge might be genuine but the mark could have been added or that both the badge and the mark are fake.
Keen to hear other members views. The mark when/if found on officers' badges or on the sliders of anodised badges is a different matter! This picture shows the availability of replacement sliders. Tim
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21-11-20, 01:30 PM
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Hi Tim
Seeing as it is only really O/Rs badges which carry sliders, then we can assume that it is a totally fake and any slider with that mark represents a fake badge? Sorry for being a bit pedantic here as I think this post is very important and a great topic to question but I just want to make sure I understand 100%! Cheers, Alex
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21-11-20, 01:55 PM
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There may just be the slight possibility that a genuine badge has had that faked maker mark impressed 'recently' on its slider. Or that a genuine badge has had its slider replaced with a fake maker marked one? That said I believe all references on the Forum (and there are quite a few - just search "Marples") indicate that ALL other ranks metal badges with sliders maker marked MARPLES & BEASLEY over BIRMINGHAM are fakes. Still expecting more forensic comments from Forum members. Tim
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30-11-20, 04:36 PM
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More than 300 views but no suggested additions!
I can add the Highland Yeomanry in wm to the list. Tim
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01-12-20, 06:20 AM
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28-01-21, 09:15 PM
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Parachute Regiment King’s Crown Marples & Beasley
Parachute Regiment King’s Crown white metal.
Tim
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31-01-21, 11:18 PM
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Here's another, Lancashire Fusiliers.
I've no idea whether or not the badge itself is a good one, but nevertheless it has the spurious slider. IMG_1408.jpg Regards. Brian
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01-02-21, 06:40 PM
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Brian,
Thank you. I am sure there are more out there! Tim
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01-02-21, 09:20 PM
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Phil,
I think that both those LFB badges are genuine with ‘proper’ makers marks. Genuine mark The letters are more spaced out (positive kerning); the ampersand is central between 'MARPLES' and 'BEASLEY'; the three horizontal bars on the second 'E' in 'BEASLEY' are the same length; the 'B' of 'BIRMINGHAM' is under the 'RP' of 'MARPLES'; and the 'M' of 'BIRMINGHAM' is under the 'A' of 'BEASLEY'. Fake mark: The letters are very close together (negative kerning); the ampersand is noticeably closer to 'MARPLES' than 'BEASLEY'; the three horizontal bars on the second 'E' in 'BEASLEY' increase in length, top to bottom, appearing to follow the left hand edge of the 'Y' in 'BEASLEY'; the 'B' of 'BIRMINGHAM' is directly under the 'P' of 'MARPLES'; and the 'M' of 'BIRMINGHAM' is directly under the 'S' of 'BEASLEY'. Tim
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