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#46
09-12-21, 05:14 PM
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One of the badge groups I follow on social media has a self-appointed guru - who, to be fair, has a lot of collecting experience but still expects his opinion to be final and inviolate - has been giving his imprimatur of authenticity to any and all badges so marked. I know what I think.
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#47
24-02-22, 11:36 AM
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Marples & Beasley - Updated list 24 February 2022
There seems to be a general consensus on the Forum that the maker mark MARPLES & BEASLEY over BIRMINGHAM should not appear on the sliders of 'other ranks' badges made in white metal (WM), gilding metal (GM) or bi-metal (BIM). The mark is therefore an indicator that the badge is not genuine (i.e. a fake or reproduction), or that it is perhaps a genuine badge and the mark has been added to provide spurious verisimilitude. There is also evidence that a good badge may have had a marked replacement slider added.
The following list (not exhaustive) is an attempt to cover badges that have been seen for sale and/or have been identified on this Forum by members in recent years. MARPLES & BEASLEY \ BIRMINGHAM 15th Hussars 17th/21st Lancers WM 20th Hussars GM 21st Lancers (VRI) KC GM 22nd Dragoons WM 26th Hussars GM 5th Inniskilling Dragoon Guards KC WM 9th Lancers KC WM Army Air Corps KC WM Army Air Corps QC WM Artists Rifles WM Auxiliary Territorial Service KC GM Buffs GM Duke of Cornwall’s Light Infantry WM Duke of Lancaster’s Own Yeomanry GM Edward VII cypher KC WM East Lancashire Regiment KC BIM Fife and Forfar Yeomanry/Scottish Horse QC WM Glider Pilot Regiment KC WM Hertfordshire Yeomanry GM Highland Yeomanry QC WM Home Counties Brigade WM Intelligence Corps KC GM King Edward’s Horse KC WM Lanarkshire Yeomanry GM Lancashire Fusiliers BIM Life Guards GVIR (replacement slider) Manchester Regiment GM and in WM (fleur de lys) Norfolk Regiment GM North Devon Hussars KC GM North Irish Horse QC WM Northumberland Fusiliers GM (‘repaired’ with M&B slider) Oxfordshire & Buckinghamshire Light Infantry WM Palestine Police KC WM Parachute Regiment KC WM Pioneer Corps KC GM Queen’s Own Yorkshire Yeomanry BIM Queen's Royal Regiment (West Surrey) GM Rifle Brigade KC WM Royal Dragoons BIM Royal Engineers KC GM Royal Fusiliers 1st Judean Battalion GM Royal Norfolk Regiment GM Royal Ulster Rifles KC WM South Staffordshire Regiment QC BIM South Staffordshire (2nd VB) KC WM Special Air Service BIM Staffordshire Yeomanry KC WM Staffordshire Yeomanry QC WM Upper Thames Patrol GM Welsh Regiment WM (2nd VB) Westmoreland & Cumberland Yeomanry GM Wiltshire Regiment AEA GM Tim
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#48
09-04-22, 06:49 PM
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Northamptonshire Regiment BIM
A good badge with a replaced or recently marked slider? Tim
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"Manui dat cognitio vires - Knowledge gives strength to the arm" "Better to know it but not need it than to need it and not know it!" "Have more than thou showest, speak less than thou knowest." Last edited by grey_green_acorn; 10-04-22 at 12:04 PM.
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#50
17-07-22, 12:18 PM
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1st The Queen’s Dragoon Guards WM
Tim
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"Manui dat cognitio vires - Knowledge gives strength to the arm" "Better to know it but not need it than to need it and not know it!" "Have more than thou showest, speak less than thou knowest." Last edited by grey_green_acorn; 17-07-22 at 02:48 PM.
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#51
17-07-22, 02:48 PM
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Control Commission Germany GM
Tim
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"Manui dat cognitio vires - Knowledge gives strength to the arm" "Better to know it but not need it than to need it and not know it!" "Have more than thou showest, speak less than thou knowest."
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#52
31-07-22, 09:37 AM
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Royal Regiment of Wales BIM
Tim
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"Manui dat cognitio vires - Knowledge gives strength to the arm" "Better to know it but not need it than to need it and not know it!" "Have more than thou showest, speak less than thou knowest."
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#53
14-01-23, 10:08 PM
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King’s Own Royal Border Regiment BIM
Tim
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"Manui dat cognitio vires - Knowledge gives strength to the arm" "Better to know it but not need it than to need it and not know it!" "Have more than thou showest, speak less than thou knowest."
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#54
01-02-23, 07:15 PM
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Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire Regiment WM
Tim
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"Manui dat cognitio vires - Knowledge gives strength to the arm" "Better to know it but not need it than to need it and not know it!" "Have more than thou showest, speak less than thou knowest."
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#55
01-02-23, 07:17 PM
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Marples & Beasley - Updated List 1 February 2023
There seems to be a general consensus on the Forum that the maker mark MARPLES & BEASLEY over BIRMINGHAM should not appear on the sliders of 'other ranks' badges made in white metal (WM), gilding metal (GM) or bi-metal (BIM). The mark is therefore an indicator that the badge is not genuine (i.e. a fake or reproduction), or that it is perhaps a genuine badge and the mark has been added to provide spurious verisimilitude. There is also evidence that a good badge may have had a marked replacement slider added.
The following list (not exhaustive) is an attempt to cover badges that have been seen for sale and/or have been identified on this Forum by members in recent years. MARPLES & BEASLEY \ BIRMINGHAM 1st The Queen’s Dragoon Guards WM 15th Hussars 17th/21st Lancers WM 20th Hussars GM 21st Lancers (VRI) KC GM 22nd Dragoons WM 26th Hussars GM 5th Inniskilling Dragoon Guards KC WM 9th Lancers KC WM Army Air Corps KC WM Army Air Corps QC WM Artists Rifles WM Auxiliary Territorial Service KC GM Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire Regiment WM Buffs GM Control Commission Germany GM Duke of Cornwall’s Light Infantry WM Duke of Lancaster’s Own Yeomanry GM Edward VII cypher KC WM East Lancashire Regiment KC BIM Fife and Forfar Yeomanry/Scottish Horse QC WM Glider Pilot Regiment KC WM Hertfordshire Yeomanry GM Highland Yeomanry QC WM Home Counties Brigade WM Intelligence Corps KC GM King Edward’s Horse KC WM King’s Own Royal Border Regiment BM Lanarkshire Yeomanry GM Lancashire Fusiliers BIM Life Guards GVIR (replacement slider) Manchester Regiment GM and in WM (fleur de lys) Norfolk Regiment GM North Devon Hussars KC GM North Irish Horse QC WM Northamptonshire Regiment BIM Northumberland Fusiliers GM (‘repaired’ with M&B slider) Oxfordshire & Buckinghamshire Light Infantry WM Palestine Police KC WM Parachute Regiment KC WM Pioneer Corps KC GM Queen’s Own Yorkshire Yeomanry BIM Queen's Royal Regiment (West Surrey) GM Rifle Brigade KC WM Royal Dragoons BIM Royal Engineers KC GM Royal Fusiliers 1st Judean Battalion GM Royal Norfolk Regiment GM Royal regiment of wales BIM Royal Ulster Rifles KC WM South Staffordshire Regiment QC BIM South Staffordshire (2nd VB) KC WM Special Air Service BIM Staffordshire Yeomanry KC WM Staffordshire Yeomanry QC WM Upper Thames Patrol GM Welsh Regiment WM (2nd VB) Westmoreland & Cumberland Yeomanry GM Wiltshire Regiment AEA GM Tim
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"Manui dat cognitio vires - Knowledge gives strength to the arm" "Better to know it but not need it than to need it and not know it!" "Have more than thou showest, speak less than thou knowest." Last edited by grey_green_acorn; 01-02-23 at 07:22 PM.
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#56
23-02-23, 01:18 PM
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Dorset Regiment BIM
Tim
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"Manui dat cognitio vires - Knowledge gives strength to the arm" "Better to know it but not need it than to need it and not know it!" "Have more than thou showest, speak less than thou knowest."
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#59
23-02-23, 06:04 PM
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Alan,
Yes, there is general agreement that most if not all other ranks cap badges made in GM, WM or BIM with sliders marked MARPLES & BEASLEY over BIRMINGHAM are likely to be restrikes, reproductions or fakes. The maker mark has been added to enhance their “desirability” to collectors usually with a consequent price hike. However, there are a few examples which may be genuine badges but have their original sliders replaced. More than 60 different marked badges have been seen so far. No doubt there are many more out there! Tim
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"Manui dat cognitio vires - Knowledge gives strength to the arm" "Better to know it but not need it than to need it and not know it!" "Have more than thou showest, speak less than thou knowest."
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#60
03-03-23, 10:01 PM
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Infantry Training Battalions KC GM
Tim
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"Manui dat cognitio vires - Knowledge gives strength to the arm" "Better to know it but not need it than to need it and not know it!" "Have more than thou showest, speak less than thou knowest."
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