Is he a Leinster?

[Stephen]

Hi all,

This chap collar's are obviously the POW and it is likely the could be a Leinster, does anyone have any thoughts?

Also I don't suppose there is anything to give his rank away?

Thanks,

Stephen

[Tinto]

Hi Stephen,

I agree that he could be a Leinster man. The buttons are indistinct but have the look of Leinster. Sorry, I can't help re rank.

Cheers, Tinto

[Graham Stewart]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Hi all,

This chap collar's are obviously the POW and it is likely the could be a Leinster, does anyone have any thoughts?

Also I don't suppose there is anything to give his rank away?

Thanks,

Stephen

As did the West Yorks and 3rd Dragoon Gds.

[John Mulcahy]

It is difficult to say with certainly.

The style of collar badge (The spread of the feathers and the width of the scroll) does not make it look like pattern 9981 (shown below on the right) which is the style most usually associated with (and approved for) other ranks of both the West Yorkshire Rgt and The Leinsters.

The design looks more like that worn by officers (of both regiments) on the frock and tunic. If the man was a senior NCO he may well have been authorized to wear officer pattern collar badges, but I cannot tell that from this image. I find it impossible to tell anything from the buttons.

In addition to the two regiments mentioned by Graham one must also consider 10th Royal Hussars, not too sure if one can discount the yeomanry regiments such as Royal Wiltshire, Cheshire based on the cut of the frock or not, this is not an area I have much knowledge on.

John

[Stephen]

Thanks for the input guys. That makes sense, I have a suspicion in that case he is in fact a Leinster officer, the photo came with some Leinster silver plate which certainly came from an Officer's mess.

Thanks for the help,

Stephen

[Phil2M]

There appears to be a circular garter and star on the button. I would suggest it is one of these officer buttons:

[John Mulcahy]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Thanks for the input guys. That makes sense, I have a suspicion in that case he is in fact a Leinster officer, the photo came with some Leinster silver plate which certainly came from an Officer's mess.

Thanks for the help,

Stephen

The collar badges would support the officer theory.

John

[Stephen]

Thanks guys,

Stephen

[Toby Purcell]

The high collar does imply an officer and 2nd Lieutenants wore no pips before 1902.

[Stephen]

Thanks for your reply Toby, much appreciated.

Stephen

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Thanks for your reply Toby, much appreciated.

Stephen

I forgot to say that it might well be a blue patrol frock that he is wearing, which had patch pockets on both chest and skirt. There was also a faced scarlet patrol frock very similar in design, but it was replaced in 1902 with the blue, double breasted frockcoat.

[fougasse1940]

Could he be Cheshire Yeomanry? They also had garter and plumes buttons.

Rgds, Thomas

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by fougasse1940

Could he be Cheshire Yeomanry? They also had garter and plumes buttons.

Rgds, Thomas

I don’t think so. Most yeomanry regiments wore shoulder chains on their patrol frocks.