British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

Recent Books by Forum Members

   

Go Back   British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum > Canadian Military Insignia > Sweetheart, Veteran, Lapel Badges and Challenge Coins

 Other Pages: Galleries, Links etc.
Glossary  Books by Forum Members     Canadian Pre 1914    CEF    CEF Badge Inscriptions   Canadian post 1920     Canadian post 1953     British Cavalry Badges     Makers' Marks    Pipers' Badges  Canadian Cloth Titles  Books  SEARCH
 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 19-09-20, 05:06 AM
dumdum's Avatar
dumdum dumdum is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 851
Default Before the British Legion there was....

Hi all

Prompted by recent discussions about organisations that pre-date the British Legion, I decided to gather together these badges.

Some are more than well-known of course (such as the Comrades of the Great War, Discharged & Demobilised Soldiers & Sailors, etc.) but others, such as the curiously large diamond-shaped badge, or the N.E.S (National Ex-Servicemen???). with the "Loyalty" base scroll have had me wondering.

Any thoughts?

I will post other pics later.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg pre_bl4.jpg (43.3 KB, 47 views)
File Type: jpg pre_britleg.jpg (37.3 KB, 22 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 19-09-20, 06:54 AM
mike_vee's Avatar
mike_vee mike_vee is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Uxbridge
Posts: 2,207
Default

During and immediately after WW1 there were numerous socio/political groups which 'claimed' to support ex-servicemen's rights etc.

The best source of information I have found is "The Politics of Influence" by Graham Wootton. I've a copy somewhere and will check out the various organisations whose badges you have posted.

The small (scroll) NU exservice men badge is from the NUX.

The National Union of Ex-Servicemen (NUX) was a socialist ex-servicemen's organisation founded in London in early 1919 with close links with the Labour Party(disbanded by the end of 1921).

National Federation of Discharged and Demobilized Sailors and Soldiers (NFDDSS) - The organisation was founded in January 1917 by various London-based veterans groups opposed to the Military Service (Review of Exceptions) Act 1917, which made it possible for people invalided out of the armed forces to be re-conscripted. It adopted the slogans "Every man once before any man twice" and "Justice before charity".




.
__________________
British Legion/Royal British Legion , Poppy/Remembrance/Commemorative.

Poppy and British Legion Wanted & Spares for sale/swap

Last edited by mike_vee; 19-09-20 at 07:35 AM. Reason: spelling
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 19-09-20, 07:18 AM
norfolk regt man's Avatar
norfolk regt man norfolk regt man is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: norfolk
Posts: 1,663
Default

http://www.rnva.org.uk/
This is the royal Norfolk veterans association, they have a nice badge.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 19-09-20, 07:32 AM
dumdum's Avatar
dumdum dumdum is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 851
Default

Hi Mike

Many thanks for all that great info. I've heard of the book and was promised a copy but it hasn't yet turned up.

That diamond-shaped badge came my way as a trade from....Australia!

I did find some info in the archives of our national library in a contemporary article entitled (and I'm NOT joking....) "The Fodads and the La-dee-dahs"

This was their take on the Federation of Discharged Soldiers and Sailors(Fodads).

What surprised me was that the "la-dee-dahs" was a dig at the Comrades of the Great War who (despite the name suggesting some link with "red" politics) were seen as elitist and the preserve of the "establishment".

For some time I, in ignorance, failed to grasp the fact that "comrades" referred to ex-service members.

I'm still ignorant in many areas but not THAT one!

Thanks again and I look forward to anything you may be able to unearth.

The NUX badge was a wee find from the 'Net and I got another one which was a little damaged (they are a very fragile item and easily bent).

Have found some old photos of one of their meetings with everyone wearing this distinctive little scrolled badge!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 19-09-20, 07:33 AM
dumdum's Avatar
dumdum dumdum is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 851
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by norfolk regt man View Post
http://www.rnva.org.uk/
This is the royal Norfolk veterans association, they have a nice badge.
Many thanks! An association with a great lineage.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 19-09-20, 09:02 AM
mike_vee's Avatar
mike_vee mike_vee is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Uxbridge
Posts: 2,207
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dumdum View Post
I've heard of the book and was promised a copy but it hasn't yet turned up.
I picked up a cheap 'ex-library' copy but must admit I found it very 'heavy' reading !

I've a couple of other more general books about the British Legion :

"Keeping The Faith - The History of The Royal British Legion" by Brian Harding , an excellent and informative book .

"We Will Remember - Historical Record of The British Legion Scotland" by Lt. Col. George Malcolm of Poltalloch.


.
__________________
British Legion/Royal British Legion , Poppy/Remembrance/Commemorative.

Poppy and British Legion Wanted & Spares for sale/swap
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 19-09-20, 10:37 AM
dumdum's Avatar
dumdum dumdum is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 851
Default

Hi Mike

Great! Noted those titles and will try to track them down. Google Books my have some extracts and we have a couple of good second-hand shops to search through but I'm guessing that the UK would be where these are to be found.

I think that "The Politics of Influence" is around 1964 or so and probably is showing its age. Interesting how writing styles evolve.

I've been churning my way through a WW1 book from the mid-1920s and that IS a mission. It calls itself a trilogy but I want to get through the first, slightly tiresome bit about a Flemish peasant woman who falls for a French noble as the SECOND bit has some military detail that promises to be good.

Fingers crossed!
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 19-09-20, 02:41 PM
mike_vee's Avatar
mike_vee mike_vee is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Uxbridge
Posts: 2,207
Default

DS&S badge

From a 2014 thread:

"The 'National Federation Discharged and Demobilized Sailors and Soldiers' was the pivotal organisation of the radical ex-servicemen's movement in Britain in 1917-21. This is a very fine example of their national badge, with its distinctive ivy leaf design. The Federation was often known as the DS&S (and its members were "discharged and seldom satisfied"). Fed members were known as 'Ivy Leafers', and the Fed had Ivy Leaf clubs in many towns in the early post WW1 period."

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...91&postcount=5

This information is also on page 38 - "The Great War: Localities and Regional Identities" edited by Nick Mansfield, Craig Horner.


.
__________________
British Legion/Royal British Legion , Poppy/Remembrance/Commemorative.

Poppy and British Legion Wanted & Spares for sale/swap
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 19-09-20, 03:28 PM
mike_vee's Avatar
mike_vee mike_vee is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Uxbridge
Posts: 2,207
Default

Empire Ex-Services Assoc. , does bottom say : "Lift Don't Grab"

Found a mention in a 1940 New Zealand newspaper article :

"The Empire Ex-Services Association of Whangarei held it's anuual picnic at Mair Park on Saturday"

Also on a business/company website :

"THE WHANGAREI RETURNED SERVICES' ASSOCIATION INCORPORATED - Previously/Alternatively known as EMPIRE EX SERVICE ASSOCIATION OF WHANGAREI INCORPORATED"


.
__________________
British Legion/Royal British Legion , Poppy/Remembrance/Commemorative.

Poppy and British Legion Wanted & Spares for sale/swap

Last edited by mike_vee; 19-09-20 at 03:35 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 19-09-20, 03:34 PM
mike_vee's Avatar
mike_vee mike_vee is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Uxbridge
Posts: 2,207
Default

Not before the British Legion but just wanted an excuse to repost this little gem that I picked up earlier this year.

"Commonwealth Ex-Services League - Malawi"
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Malawi.jpg (29.9 KB, 15 views)
__________________
British Legion/Royal British Legion , Poppy/Remembrance/Commemorative.

Poppy and British Legion Wanted & Spares for sale/swap
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 20-09-20, 12:10 AM
dumdum's Avatar
dumdum dumdum is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 851
Default

Hi Mike

Thanks again for your help. You've added greatly to my knowledge of this subject and I hope that others will be just as interested as I am.

The motto is: Lift, Don't Lean

Sounds as if you've got the same source as I had that contained the article about the Fodads and the La-dee-dahs!

I think this dates from the early 1930s. I had it for some time before I was able to find a mention of it. It's also so small that it "disappeared" for a few months until it surfaced again with some other badges!

I often see the Ivy Leaf badge described as the Disabled Soldiers & Sailors, mostly on eBay. The trouble is that the more this appears, the more it will be accepted as "fact".
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 20-09-20, 12:20 AM
dumdum's Avatar
dumdum dumdum is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 851
Default

Hi Mike

Thought you might like to see this that I dug out. To be honest, the badge didn't come with the card but it is a nice example anyway.

I did some research and there are a couple of possibilities for the owner. I've also got a Comrades card and I'll post that later.

Again just "associated" with a badge but this type of material won't have survived to the same extent as the badges.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg fodads1.jpg (29.4 KB, 8 views)
File Type: jpg fodads2.jpg (40.3 KB, 5 views)
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 20-09-20, 04:56 AM
dumdum's Avatar
dumdum dumdum is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 851
Default

Hi Mike

Here are the Comrades of the Great War membership card and a large-sized badge as promised.

I'm picking that the large badges predate the smaller ones as the numbers seem to be lower on the large badges. This one is: 235.

This man's name appears to be J. Smith so not much chance of tracking him down I guess...
Attached Images
File Type: jpg comradescard.jpg (27.9 KB, 6 views)
File Type: jpg comradescard1.jpg (46.6 KB, 5 views)
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 20-09-20, 08:50 AM
mike_vee's Avatar
mike_vee mike_vee is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Uxbridge
Posts: 2,207
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by norfolk regt man View Post
http://www.rnva.org.uk/
This is the royal Norfolk veterans association, they have a nice badge.
Is the O.C.A a separate group ?

Royal Norfolk Regiment Old Comrades Association Badge


.
__________________
British Legion/Royal British Legion , Poppy/Remembrance/Commemorative.

Poppy and British Legion Wanted & Spares for sale/swap
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 09:45 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.