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ianh67military · #1 07-08-16, 04:32 PM

Been at Yate Militaria Fair most of the day. Bought lots of "stuff", but...don't actually know what some of it actually is?
I attach photos, grateful for any (constructive) comments.

Photo 1 has 5 badges.
The long dangly thing may be either something to do with the ACC garter badge, or a cub scout badge for top hamster/beaver from the 60's? looking like the latter, actually[/COLO
The others are a KC Oueens Own Dorset Yeomanry badge in bullion, but where worn? "
Then 2 arm badges (KC/QC) to a London Cavalry/Yeomanry unit (which may be available if I've already got them)
and finally an RM badge, but not on lovat or blue. HW is Royal Marines Heavy Weapons specialist qualification for Khaki Drill.?

Photo 2 all foreign stuff;
What is RAF Ordnungs Polizei (in Berlin)? I thought the Ordungs Polizei was a WW2 unit? Why would the RAF employ them? It's got the Berlin Bear on and I know we had a base or 2 in Berlin, but never seen anything like this before and Google hasn't helped. In picture two the Berlin arm flash was worn by the locally raised RAF Police Auxiliaries at the then RAF Gatow.
FIDO has to be American, but RECON/3/504 means a Para unit? Pocket presumeably? Grateful for confirmation/pictures?
South Africa Navy - but what exactly? Chief knot doer-upper, using torpedoes as knitting needles?The South African Navy badge has as it's RN equivalent AB TAS(UW), that's Torpedo Anti-Submarine(Underwater Weapons).

Photo 3
Obvious, RAF Air Training Corps, but where and when? If OC14 wants them, we can do a deal! He does...

Photo 4. The middle one is an RE Sgt. The other 2?
I think the blue bomb is WW1? Bomber? Mortars? There were 2 in the set, but one is unworn. I presume worn singly? One may be availble for sale?
I suspect the bullion bomb is Italian (a wild guess)? Confirmation please?

Photo 5
A printed RTR tank. Again, presumeably a WW2 arm badge? Worn by all tank crew? Or just Sgt's and above?The tank arm badge was worn by all ranks. This one is the printed economy version WW2. Which is one of the hardest versions to find in good nick.

The bit of tartan has 2 holes east & west so was worn behind a cap badge? British? Canadian? WW2? Post war?.Tartan is Gordon Highlanders...I presume from WW1 to amagamation into the Royal Regiment of Scotland...

Aware I've posted 20 badges to be positively ID'd, but I'm just putting the othe 40-odd away! I know what they are, struggling a bit with these....
I love going to fairs, buying stuff with only an inkling of what it is and then trying desperately to ID exactly what it may be.
Ian H

Voltigeur · #2 07-08-16, 04:57 PM

About photo #2...this could be it...The 504th Infantry Regiment, originally the 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment (504th PIR), is an airborne forces regiment of the United States Army, part of the 82nd Airborne Division,
In September 2005, 3-504 deployed to Iraq to assist in providing security for the upcoming elections. The Blue Devils operated throughout the Al Anbar Province along the Euphrates River, in or near the cities of Haqlaniyah, Ramadi and Al Qaim. After the elections were complete the battalion was attached to USASOC in what was the first ever pairing of a battalion sized infantry unit to a USASOC task force and the beginning of the "Torch Mission." The battalion conducted combat operations in and around Ramadi in support of task force objectives. The Blue Devils redeployed to Ft Bragg in late January 2006. Five paratroopers were killed in action during this deployment. In June 2006 the battalion was reflagged as the 1st of the 508th Parachute Infantry Regiment in the newly formed Fourth Brigade of the division.

Photo #5..Tartan is Gordon Highlanders...I presume from WW1 to amagamation into the Royal Regiment of Scotland...

Jo

engr9266 · #3 07-08-16, 05:23 PM

I missed that one Ian, been after one for a while, well done.

Found this on a German site, it was in german but did a translation.

The badge of the "RAF Ordnungspolizei" was by German security forces/goal post at the British Gatow airport on a gray uniform worn - from the 60s until approximately 1994. "

Jerry
p.s. did I speak with you today, my mind has gone......west I think

manchesters · #4 07-08-16, 06:02 PM

Photo 4. The middle one is an RE Sgt. The other 2?
I think the blue bomb is WW1? Bomber? Mortars? There were 2 in the set, but one is unworn. I presume worn singly? One may be availble for sale?
I suspect the bullion bomb is Italian (a wild guess)? Confirmation please?

Niether of the grenade badges are WW1, or Bombers or Mortars etc.
The first is part of a Grenadiers Guards Colour Sgt rank badge worn on BD or a RE NCO's badge.

The second is the same, post 1960

The 3rd does look Italian, its certainly not British.

regards

grey_green_acorn · #5 07-08-16, 06:41 PM

I think the grey and yellow tapes are a Boy Scout patrol sign from the 50s and 60s (possibly earlier) worn pinned to the shirt shoulder epaulette. Not sure which it represents but patrols were named after animals and birds of prey etc. We had Kestrel, Eagle and Hawk if memory serves.

HW is Royal Marines Heavy Weapons specialist qualification for Khaki Drill.

Tim

oc14 · #6 07-08-16, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ianh67military

Been at Yate Militaria Fair most of the day. Bought lots of "stuff", but...don't actually know what some of it actually is?
I attach photos, grateful for any (constructive) comments.

Photo 1 has 5 badges.
The long dangly thing may be either something to do with the ACC garter badge, or a cub scout badge for top hamster/beaver from the 60's?
The others are a KC Oueens Own Dorset Yeomanry badge in bullion, but where worn? "
Then 2 arm badges (KC/QC) to a London Cavalry/Yeomanry unit (which may be available if I've already got them)
and finally an RM badge, but not on lovat or blue?

Photo 2 all foreign stuff;
What is RAF Ordnungs Polizei (in Berlin)? I thought the Ordungs Polizei was a WW2 unit? Why would the RAF employ them? It's got the Berlin Bear on and I know we had a base or 2 in Berlin, but never seen anything like this before and Google hasn't helped.
FIDO has to be American, but RECON/3/504 means a Para unit? Pocket presumeably? Grateful for confirmation/pictures?
South Africa Navy - but what exactly? Chief knot doer-upper, using torpedoes as knitting needles?

Photo 3
Obvious, RAF Air Training Corps, but where and when? If OC14 wants them, we can do a deal! If he doesn't there's a free fire zone.

Photo 4. The middle one is an RE Sgt. The other 2?
I think the blue bomb is WW1? Bomber? Mortars? There were 2 in the set, but one is unworn. I presume worn singly? One may be availble for sale?
I suspect the bullion bomb is Italian (a wild guess)? Confirmation please?

Photo 5
A printed RTR tank. Again, presumeably a WW2 arm badge? Worn by all tank crew? Or just Sgt's and above?
The bit of tartan has 2 holes east & west so was worn behind a cap badge? British? Canadian? WW2? Post war?

Aware I've posted 20 badges to be positively ID'd, but I'm just putting the othe 40-odd away! I know what they are, struggling a bit with these....
I love going to fairs, buying stuff with only an inkling of what it is and then trying desperately to ID exactly what it may be.
Ian H

Hi Ian
very interested in the ATC patches, let me know where you want to go with this one !
PL

ianh67military · #7 07-08-16, 06:48 PM

I'm not sure why the Grenadier Guards would want to wear a 7 flamed grenade in BLUE? The Guards usually wear large dark coloured badges, not blue ones.
looking at "British Army Proficiency Badges" by Edwards & Langley, Inote that badge 55 is GRENADE BLUE" and I quote "First authorised in 1916 and endorsed by GRO 1364 of 1917 which stated it would be awarded to all men sering in Trench Mortar Batteries"
The second badge is, without doubt, an Engineer rank badge ( The artillery traditionally have 7 flames and the engineers have 9),
and the 3rd remains a mystery.

Ian H

ianh67military · #8 07-08-16, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oc14

Hi Ian
very interested in the ATC patches, let me know where you want to go with this one !
PL

Paul, they're yours. I had to buy them to get the bits I wanted. The chap had carefully mounted the badges in the groups they'd come in (and I can't believe anybody could sew numbers as badly as this). Still interested in where and when, but PM me with an offer.... if it's too much, I'll tell you!

Ian H

rattle-watch1 · #9 07-08-16, 06:54 PM

Hi Ian, In picture two the Berlin arm flash was worn by the locally raised RAF Police Auxiliaries at the then RAF Gatow. They wore the RAF Police Auxiliary cap badge and under control of the RAF Police/Provost. Hope this will be of help. Regards, Harry Wynne.

ianh67military · #10 07-08-16, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grey_green_acorn

I think the grey and yellow tapes are a Boy Scout patrol sign from the 50s and 60s (possibly earlier) worn pinned to the shirt shoulder epaulette. Not sure which it represents but patrols were named after animals and birds of prey etc. We had Kestrel, Eagle and Hawk if memory serves.

HW is Royal Marines Heavy Weapons specialist qualification for Khaki Drill.

Tim

Thanks for this. There was an "animated" discussion about what they could be, with me maintaining they could be garter flashes for the ACC, and the other chap saying he thought he's worn then on the shoulder (hence, I guess the folding pins on the back) as a Boy scout.

He may have been right. A lesson learnt.

Ian H

manchesters · #11 07-08-16, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ianh67military

I'm not sure why the Grenadier Guards would want to wear a 7 flamed grenade in BLUE? The Guards usually wear large dark coloured badges, not blue ones.

Ian H

Ian,

I still cant see a Blue grenade in your photo.
The first is light khaki on khaki isnt it?

I have attached a photo of my WW1 Mortar badges for comparison.

regards

ianh67military · #12 07-08-16, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manchesters

Ian,

I still cant see a Blue grenade in your photo.
The first is light khaki on khaki isnt it?

I have attached a photo of my WW1 Mortar badges for comparison.

regards

The ball of the grenade is a blue colour. It's a bit faded, but def blue. The backing is khaki. Not sure why it looks so diff to yours, which is a stunning badge. Both these examples are paper backed, with one having obvious stitching holes. The flames are def white - not a Guards colour?

Ian H

burt246 · #13 07-08-16, 07:45 PM

The tank arm badge was worn by all ranks. This one is the printed economy version WW2. Which is one of the hardest versions to find in good nick.

Jim Maclean · #14 07-08-16, 07:55 PM

The South African Navy badge has as it's RN equivalent AB TAS(UW), that's Torpedo Anti-Submarine(Underwater Weapons). With a C below the device it is Underwater Controller which is sonar as opposed to torpedoes and mines etc.

What the South Africans call them I don't know.

engr9266 · #15 08-08-16, 06:57 AM

A good day for me at Yate. I have added & A/A badge's to the collection, one being a partly void RAF a/a badge with the crown and letters solid (thanks to Andy Garrett). list below:-
HAC, RAOC, RADC, RAMC, RPC, RAF & RAF WO. All variations of one sort of another.
Also good to meet up with a few members for tea.
Jerry.