FS cap badges with "tongues"

[KLR]

I know this has been discussed before but I can't find the thread.
Anyway, a few years ago I found a KLR officer's 1896 Pattern S&G cap badge. It is made by Gaunt (ie die linked to a marked one)It has one loop to north and a downward projecting "tongue". This was thought to be worn on the FSC (side cap).

Recently I found a similar badge but of the 1926 Pattern. the style is Gaunt and the "loose" tail indicates it is early - not long after the introduction of this Pattern.

I assume though that this one was made to be worn on the reintroduction of the side cap in ??? 1930s.

I thought members might like to see later varieties of this type of fitting. How late were they worn ?

[Mike_2817]

Interesting, There was a problem with the Khaki FSC when introduced in 1939 in that the OR's badges with sliders rocked and a special clip was introduced to stop this, or even blades?

I wonder why they did not just produce the officers badge with two short lugs North & South to stop this happening I presume earlier with the Coloured FSC?

I have a 1920's RAOC Officers Side Cap with a Bullion Badge stitched on.

[Alan O]

The advantage of the single lug and tongue fitting over 2 lugs is that you can wear the badge much lower on the side cap with the tongue at headband height. If you do this with a lugged badge you get a split pin and the bottom lug in the side of your head!

[magpie]

I thought this type of fitting was for the folding peak type of cap, the bottom lug locks the peak in positio.
Andy

[Keith Blakeman]

Originally Posted by magpie

I thought this type of fitting was for the folding peak type of cap, the bottom lug locks the peak in positio.
Andy

So did I with the bottom tab hooked over the strap and only a single hole made in the fabric.

[54Bty]

Way out of my depth here, what is a folding peak cap?

Marc

[GriffMJ]

Originally Posted by magpie

I thought this type of fitting was for the folding peak type of cap, the bottom lug locks the peak in positio.
Andy

^^^^ What he said

[magpie]

The peak is hinged and folds inwards when the badge is removed so it takes up less space for travelling and sounds like it was only made or supplied by only a couple of outfitters, they have been mentioned before in a couple of threads.

Andy

[Mike_2817]

Originally Posted by Alan O

The advantage of the single lug and tongue fitting over 2 lugs is that you can wear the badge much lower on the side cap with the tongue at headband height. If you do this with a lugged badge you get a split pin and the bottom lug in the side of your head!

Interesting, but I was assuming that the badge was worn higher up to clear the Flap & Peak, and not really sure what style the KLR wore?

Assumption based on following type of FSC

[Alan O]

I don't think it was for a FS cap with neck flaps but a Torin style cap.

[GriffMJ]

I have a Derbyshire Yeomanry unmarked (all) silver like this and I know that they wore an embroidered rose with a bullion wire crown. The FFSCap photo is taken during SA.... so I suppose my badge is post 1902.




I thought this type of badge was for the Staff pattern peaked cap?

[Gurkha]

I was always given to believe that this style of fitting was edwardian for the officers forage cap. The tab went into a small slot the lug then secured the badge in place.

Steve M

[GriffMJ]

Originally Posted by Gurkha

I was always given to believe that this style of fitting was edwardian for the officers forage cap. The tab went into a small slot the lug then secured the badge in place.

Steve M

Thats what I remember ...

[54Bty]

Thank you. As I have never head of this head dress before or seen one, I am none the wiser.

Marc

[Mike_2817]

Well, Lots of different ideas, but like 54Bty I am none the wiser really, But the folding peak cap sounds plausible.