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05-10-14, 10:06 AM
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17 lb. shell case that killed a Tiger tank
I found this ash tray in a local auction room. I am told that it commerates the killing and capture of the first Tiger tank in North Africa, please can anybody fill in the details of this action, John.
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05-10-14, 10:45 AM
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Hi John, I'm sure the Tiger tank at Bovington is the first Tiger faced by the Allies in North Africa. It was captured and returned to the Britain for assessment.
I have a family connection to that Tiger. My Mother's Uncle was in the troop that recovered it. As he told me the Sergeant asked for "volunteer's" and chose him and a few others...  There again they always say a "volunteer" in the Army is someone who didn't understand the question.... I'm sure I've read though that it broke down and wasn't lost to damage from fire. So can't say whether that shell casing base is referencing this Tiger or not. I'll look on line today, as i'm sure it has something somewhere in this Bovington Tiger. Regards Simon.
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05-10-14, 10:46 AM
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05-10-14, 11:11 AM
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05-10-14, 11:19 AM
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The one thing I would say is that 17pounders were installed on the Firefly in readiness to face the Tiger's in Normandy. This was based on the research mentioned in the first article that having the Tiger helped prepare for D-Day.
It maybe a shell that did nock out a Tiger, but possibly in the D-Day campaign. Simon.
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#7
05-10-14, 11:28 AM
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Hello Simon
The 17pdr was indeed capable of knocking out a Tiger but I see that in the fourth photo the shell is clearly marked "To Tiger". Possibly this is just a presentation piece to someone known as Tiger and nothing to do with a Tiger tank at all! Still think it is a great piece though, well worth a place in anyone's collection, nice early date too! Regards Roger Last edited by Cribyn; 05-10-14 at 11:34 AM. Reason: Correct typo
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05-10-14, 11:42 AM
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I think you may have hit the nail on the head there Roger. Good catch.
Simon.
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05-10-14, 11:57 AM
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Looking at the middle photo, could this be a gauntlet? I'm thinking this was a formation sign for an armored unit but can't remember which one. This might be a way to place this piece.
Don
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05-10-14, 12:54 PM
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British 6th Armoured Division
The engraved image on the 17 PDR cartridge case represents the British 6th Armoured Division formation sign.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/6th-Armour...item2ed74c6ade
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05-10-14, 01:03 PM
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05-10-14, 04:41 PM
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05-10-14, 09:20 PM
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05-10-14, 09:56 PM
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Tiger Tank I
Good evening.
Whilst I would not confess any expertise in the matter (and, I simply cannot be bothered to dig out all my reference material on tanks and A/T guns) a simple answer seems to be: "Eager to make use of the powerful new weapon, Hitler ordered the vehicle be pressed into service months earlier than planned.[35] A platoon of four Tigers was put into action on 23 September 1942 near Leningrad.[36] Operating in swampy, forested terrain their movement was largely confined to roads and tracks, making defense against them far easier. Many of these early models were plagued by problems with the transmission, which had difficulty handling the heavy weight of the vehicle if pushed too hard. It took time for drivers to learn how to avoid over taxing the vehicle, and many broke down. The most significant event from this engagement was that one of Tigers became stuck in swampy ground and had to be abandoned. Captured largely intact, its capture allowed the Soviets to study the design and prepare countermeasures.[37] A battalion of Tigers was deployed to the Don Front in the autumn of 1942, but arrived too late to participate in the attack to relieve Stalingrad, (Operation Winter Storm). It was subsequently engaged in heavy defensive fighting in the Rostov-on-Don and adjacent sectors in January and February 1943. In the North African theatre, the Tiger first saw action on 1 December 1942 east of Tebourba, Tunisia.[38] The first loss to an Allied gun was on 20 January 1943 near Robaa, Tunisia[39] when a battery of the British 72nd Anti-tank Regiment knocked out two Tigers with six-pounders. The failed attack on Béja at the end of February saw seven Tigers lost in the "Panzer Graveyard".[40]" For the original references, enter "Tiger tank" into Wikipedia. Interestingly, of course, Béja gave rise to the famous badge we all know about. Don't we? So, there we go:I know nothing (Said a with thick foreign accent.)! Enjoy. S.T.
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06-10-14, 03:42 PM
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As a digression, the first Tiger taken out in Tank v's Tank action by the Western allies was by tanks of the North Irish Horse, who were also the first Western Allied unit to destroy a Panther in tank v's tank action.
From http://northirishhorse.net/index.html During the battle for Hunt's Gap in Tunisia, one of its Churchills was the first tank ever to knock out a German PzKfw VI - Tiger. During the assault on the Hitler Line in Italy its tanks were the first of the Western Allies to knock out PzKfw V - Panthers - two of them.
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