Unknown PTA badge - Fattorini

[2747andy]

Can anyone help ID this one please? It will be for sale if it does not fall in to my broad collecting sphere, so please do not comment if you object.

Measuring 35 x 39 mm and Gilding-metal. I have written off "Parent -Teachers Association"? With the nautical symbols I though perhaps a "Transport Authority" (?) but would have expected a Crescent Moon for Pompey (Portsmouth)?

Thanks in advance

Andy

[Paul Spellman]

Hi Andy,
It looks similar to some Lancashire Territorial Arm badges I have seen, there is one from Hindley (L/North/Lancs) on Deadspartan site (I Am not sure the WW1 description is correct as I have seen them as WW2 HG related)
T.A. may be Territorial Army in P.T.A. though that is just me guessing. (Plymouth?)
Paul

[AndyC_65]

Preston to fall in with Pauls suggestion of Lancashire TA?

What does the motto at the bottom say? Can't quite read it.

cheers,

Andy C

[Paul Spellman]

Originally Posted by AndyC_65

Preston to fall in with Pauls suggestion of Lancashire TA?

What does the motto at the bottom say? Can't quite read it.

cheers,

Andy C

Vigilantia - which means Vigilance (sounds more military than school?)
Paul

[Rockape]

Hi Andy,

Well, I did a bit of digging and may have an answer. There were four ports in The Port of Tilbury Authority, with Tilbury having the coat of arms as the three Saxon crowns with the frigate above the shield. The other ports are: The Royal Docks (Albert, Victoria & King George); West India & Millwall docks and The London & St Katherine Dock Company. The three remaining coat of arms may represent these ports.

Incidentally, the company that now runs the Port of London Authority is called Forth Ports. Another fact is that the Mulberry Floating Harbour was constructed in West India & Millwall docks.

So my best guess is that it was a badge worn by workers in the PTA on the lapel?

There, I've started the ball rolling, but you will have to put some flesh on the bones to be certain of it.

Garry

[GTB]

Among the results of Googling the full motto (Servat Vigilantia Concors), an enamelled badge with similar device came up. However the top inscription is "PUBLIC SERVICE". Possibly a Corporation badge?

GTB

[TWGB]

An educated guess...

The top shield looks like the coat of arms of Newcastle, and the right hand shield which looks like the coat of arms of South Shield (town motto - "Always Ready" over a ship at sea). Not sure of the other two, although at least one also has a ship on top!

Best regards,

Tim

[TWGB]

Prompted by Rockape's post (which I hadn't seen when I offered my opinion) I have dug further. The bottom shield could be Gateshead (a three-bit castle with a goats head on top) while the left hand shield could be North Shields (three crowns - no eagle, though!- and a ship on top).

Hope this helps!

Tim

[ebro]

Following on from TWGB what about Port Of Tyne Authority?
Eddie

[Rockape]

Here is a link to an old Port of Tilbury Authority Police Cap badge. It looks similar to the left coat of arms.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...2bROyAxXi8qYGg

[TWGB]

Well, almost...

Mine is gilded, and generally thought to be the Tynemouth VTC.

This badge is the arms of Tynemouth, adopted in 1849. The miner and fisherman either side represent main sources of employment at the time...

I should have got this earlier. My first guess was based on two VTC badges, and now this is a third (Tynemouth, not North Shields as previously cited).

Best regards,

Tim

[altcar73]

Originally Posted by 2747andy

Can anyone help ID this one please? It will be for sale if it does not fall in to my broad collecting sphere, so please do not comment if you object.

Measuring 35 x 39 mm and Gilding-metal. I have written off "Parent -Teachers Association"? With the nautical symbols I though perhaps a "Transport Authority" (?) but would have expected a Crescent Moon for Pompey (Portsmouth)?

Thanks in advance

Andy

Your badge is a security officer's cap badge. "PTA" refers to Port of Tyne Authority. The four "Arms" are Gateshead, South Shields, Tynemouth and Newcastle-upon-Tyne.

Dave.

[carl pierce]

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it is the swing bridge operators badge and last issue was in 1959

[altcar73]

Originally Posted by carl pierce

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it is the swing bridge operators badge and last issue was in 1959

I'm sorry but your suggestion that the badge was last issued in 1959 is certainly not correct. The badge has on it "PTA" (Port of Tyne Authority). The authority was formed in 1968 so the badge can only date from that year. It is highly unlikely that the "Swing Bridge Operator" would have a badge made specially for him, important individual he no doubt was. The predecessor to the PTA was the Tyne Improvement Commission.

Dave.

[Silver Tourist]

Good afternoon.

Well, that was all very helpful. Not. Good job two Members finally got there.

Anyway, quick one for Garry: I think old boy you may well find the Mulberry harbours were not made in West India & Millwall Docks. The Phoenix units were, yes. The remaining sub-assemblies were constructed all around the UK from Perth round to the Medway, Southampton and Conway and then assembled primarily along the south coast. They were designed and built by many of the firms with whom I have worked, or am still working, including Oscar Faber, Rendell, Palmer Tritton, Arups, Halcrow, Wates, Mowlem, Costain and McAlpine.

When I have a moment I will upload the full references.

Edit: "Code Name Mulberry. The Planning, Building and Operation of the Normandy Harbours." by Guy Hartcup. Pub. David & Charles. 1977. See Fig. 18. and pp 77-98.

Table 2. pp 94-95, gives a list of construction sites, contractors and Consultants for the Phoenix Programme, and a useful list of materials used. Impressive!

Enjoy.

S.T.