|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#16
|
||||
|
||||
Whoa Malc, I think the "list" is merely what John Players chose to illustrate on a certain set of cards.
But otherwise, yes, I reckpon that probably is a WO dress badge - IF the ionformation from the WLTA may be representative of other county associations !> Julian The Territorial Year Book of 1910 lists all TF units and gives a badge description for many - but not all. Next time I'm in a library where it is, I'll make a note of which badges are described. Last edited by KLR; 06-04-08 at 06:31 PM. Reason: added info |
#17
|
||||
|
||||
Only 1 I have is this, Wilf.
|
#18
|
||||
|
||||
White metal walking out badges
Julian, what a great find those cigarette cards, I have never heard of this particular set, but I will be on the lookout for a set for myself. The only thing I can say about ciggy cards is that there may have been a certain amount of "artistic licence" used in their production, there was a discrepancy over the colour of the facings worn by I believe one of the territorial/volunteer units on a players set. As to whether it was ambiguous or wrong information I can't remember.
I will try and collate all the information that I feel is relevant to white metal badges and put together a list. Thanks to everyone who has contributed and may contribute in the future. |
#19
|
||||
|
||||
My new w/m badge. GV so pre 1936. It is not in K&K but a EVII w/m one is and is described as a volunteers and K&K show a Gv wm badge with RE Volunteers scroll is. Possibly a RE Volunteers badge?
Alan |
#20
|
||||
|
||||
Royal Engineers white metal
Alan, I have two R.E. EviiR white metal, one a variation and a R.E. GvR (Volunteers), there is also a GviR badge which has been chromed although this looks like white metal as it has a slightly matt finish, this badge is attributed to officers of 32 Assault Regt.
Whether these could be attributed as "Walking out badges" I don't know. |
#21
|
||||
|
||||
White metal walking out badges
Having spoken to an old friend with far more knowledge of badges than I will ever posess, he informs me that the criteria for the wearing of the white metal badges was that when the TF was formed in 1908 from Volunteer units, which had all worn silver lace. Units had to apply to wear gold lace and those that did not apply or were not granted the right to wear gold lace wore white metal walking out cap badges. Units that were granted the right to wear gold lace wore bi-metal or gilding metal cap badges.
Hoping this is of interest and makes sense. I will persue this thread at a later date when or if I find any more information. Last edited by Sonofacqms; 10-04-08 at 09:26 PM. |
#22
|
||||
|
||||
I'd be very interested in what reference there is for this - it would seem to fit in with the evidence that I got from the WLTA (post 4). I might add that in the same year they were about to order x shoulder titles for the 7th Bn King's but held off until they decided (? found out) whether these were to be in WM or GM !? I think PB will confirm that both exist !
J |
#23
|
||||
|
||||
I can confirm that they do.
P.B.
__________________
Interested in all aspects of militaria/military history but especially insignia and history of non regular units with a Liverpool connection Members welcome in my private Facebook group “The Kings Liverpool Regiment ( 1685-1958 )” |
#24
|
||||
|
||||
Peter,
Lovely badges. Is the Left hand Kings w/m horse between the 2 s/ts a cap or collar? Thanks Alan Last edited by Alan O; 11-04-08 at 06:47 PM. Reason: clarity |
#25
|
||||
|
||||
Thanks Alan ,
it is cap badge, pictures ( poor ones ) of white metal collars attached Peter
__________________
Interested in all aspects of militaria/military history but especially insignia and history of non regular units with a Liverpool connection Members welcome in my private Facebook group “The Kings Liverpool Regiment ( 1685-1958 )” |
#26
|
||||
|
||||
And some more white metal right facing collar, silver plated left facing collar
P.B.
__________________
Interested in all aspects of militaria/military history but especially insignia and history of non regular units with a Liverpool connection Members welcome in my private Facebook group “The Kings Liverpool Regiment ( 1685-1958 )” |
#27
|
||||
|
||||
Many thanks. I was interested as I have what appears to be an identical one with the same die flaw on the top edge of the scrolls.
Alan |
#28
|
||||
|
||||
Walking out badges-the cards
Having looked at the set of cigarette cards Julian mentioned, I can only say that the cards which are really good, should not be used as a reliable reference for badge collectors. I have heard in the past at Arms fairs of people saying "No they wore a different badge to that" and I have thought what the hell are they on about, now I know.
The production of this series of cards was, I suspect divided by one or more people, someone stuck more or less to the cap badges that were worn c1910, the others went completely OTT and used regimental crests that were generally die-stamped onto the Regimental stationery. Some of the cards illustrated as cap badges bear no relationship to any items of insignia I have ever seen. A friend of mine had a collection of die-stamps which included Regimental stationery and I think I remember some that are similar to these cards. Having checked on these cards, I can only think that the possible badges shown worn in white metal as "walking out" are:- 5th Btn Royal Scots Fusiliers 4th Btn Royal Sussex 6th Manchester 8th Notts & Derby 4th R. West Kent (as the regulars, so not really counted) 4th POW Yorkshire (as the regulars, so not really counted) 4th Ox & Bucks L.I. (as the regulars, so not really counted) 5th North Staffs 5th West Yorks 5th DCLI (as the regulars, so not really counted) 4th Berkshire 7th Middlesex 4th East Yorks 4th KOYLI 5th East Surrey 5th Kings Own 5th Welsh 4th GLoster (as TF, so not really counted) 4th East Lancs (as TF, so not really counted) 5th Northumberland Fusiliers 7th Kings Liverpool (as TF, so not really counted) 6th South Staffs 5th Royal Warwickshire 1st Herefordshire 1st Royal Fusiliers Other cards illustrating badges in this series in my opinion are either wrongly ilustrated (with scrolls, sphinx's missing, crests used as badges etc), they do not match up with K&K badges and this is what I have based my badges on. Any further information would be welcome. Last edited by Sonofacqms; 12-04-08 at 11:03 PM. |
#29
|
||||
|
||||
Chrome badges - I was told many years ago by one SSgt D Edwards, who was stationed at the ATR Kinmel Park Camp, that the chrome badges were trialled at the same time as Staybright, but that the a/a badges won. They were most commonly seen thereafter on regimental car badges for car "Badge Bars" (remember those?). I have a QDG and 17/21 L in my collection, both chrome.
I think I'm correct in saying that SSgt Edwards was the "Edwards & Langley" of the British Army Proficiency Badges book. |
#30
|
||||
|
||||
I am sure that S Sgt Edwards was in fact Denis Edwards co author of the book you mention but I am less than sure that what he told you was correct.
P.B. P.S. when I knew Denis which I think was in the 1970`s he had left the army and lived, from memory, in Prestatyn, he used to stand at the fairs in Chester and visited the MHS meetings occasionaly at the Liverpool Museum. I seem to recall he had a large van at one time, in which the badges he had were stored- happy days
__________________
Interested in all aspects of militaria/military history but especially insignia and history of non regular units with a Liverpool connection Members welcome in my private Facebook group “The Kings Liverpool Regiment ( 1685-1958 )” Last edited by Peter Brydon; 17-04-08 at 05:19 PM. Reason: Futher thoughts |
Tags |
tf badges, walking out, white metal |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|