3rd VB Devonshire Regiment

[Rob Miller]

Good point.

[Rob Miller]

Any thoughts on the 5th VB badge sold by Bosleys recently, is it possible that two completely different types could be issued in the six years 1902-1908?

It has a "long" slider, could that mean it was for the Brodrick? did the Volunteers use the Brodrick?

Rob

http://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/au...1-a56000c9c527

[Alan O]

Not usually as they had a preference for the slouch hat post Boer War and the FSC.

[Keith Blakeman]

I have this card of the 1st VB Buffs.

[2747andy]

Originally Posted by Rob Miller

Any thoughts on the 5th VB badge sold by Bosleys recently, is it possible that two completely different types could be issued in the six years 1902-1908?

It has a "long" slider, could that mean it was for the Brodrick? did the Volunteers use the Brodrick?

Rob

http://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/au...1-a56000c9c527

I've always been wary of VB badges bearing this type of oval plate?

Andy

[Rob Miller]

Hi Andy

I agree, DCLI and Manchester Regiment to name but two, but it doesn't prove anything.

I have to say its a pretty poor picture on Bosleys site, I have never bought from there but I assume you get better pictures before you bid?

I suppose Its always possible that this one is genuine and all the others are the fakes.

Rob

[Alan O]

I have a suspicion that it was only the 3-5th Bns that had overlaid scrolls.

1st was a Rifles Bn so may have worn BB badges (same as 4th TF Bn from 1908) and the 2nd wore the plain w/m badge (same as the 5th Bn from 1908).

I would be grateful if anyone can confirm what 1 Vb and 2Vb wore.

[Rob Miller]

Hi Alan
Colin Churchill's collar badge book offers the best clues in my opinion, he says the 1st VB Bn wore a WM version of the standard GM Devon collar, it seems unlikely that they would have worn a BB cap badge with WM collars.

As to the 2nd, their collars were WM POW feather's so its possible they wore a WM POW cap badge to match, I think Kelly College were connected to the 2nd VB Bn, what era did they wear their POW cap badge?

Rob

[Alan O]

As the 4th TF was the senior TF wore a rifles BB I had presumed that 1VB had the same BB but the collars does suggest otherwise. So where did the 4th TF rifles lineage come from?

Kelly College OTC wore a blackened PofW feathers but I don't know from when.

[Alan O]

Westlake's Tracing the Rifle Vols states that the 1VB was the 1 Devonshire RVC so they had the Rifle heritage. Uniform was green tunics and black collars etc.

Westlake also states that 3VB also became part of 4 TF Bn. 3Vb also wore grey uniforms with green collars etc.

[Keith Blakeman]

Originally Posted by Rob Miller

Hi Alan
Colin Churchill's collar badge book offers the best clues in my opinion, he says the 1st VB Bn wore a WM version of the standard GM Devon collar, it seems unlikely that they would have worn a BB cap badge with WM collars.

As to the 2nd, their collars were WM POW feather's so its possible they wore a WM POW cap badge to match, I think Kelly College were connected to the 2nd VB Bn, what era did they wear their POW cap badge?

Rob

Flicking through an old Bosley catalogue today, both ex-HK badges. Blackened brass POW feathers with 2nd VB scroll, 5th VB with applied circular plaque and SA honour scroll.

[Rob Miller]

Hi Keith

Was the 2nd VB on a separate scroll or on the scroll which normally carries the "ICH DIEN"?

Rob

[Keith Blakeman]

Originally Posted by Rob Miller

Hi Keith

Was the 2nd VB on a separate scroll or on the scroll which normally carries the "ICH DIEN"?

Rob

Rob,

The main scroll across the base, similar to a 3rd Dragoons, 10th Hussars, etc. but blackened brass.

21st October 2009 Issue 58

Lot 308: 2nd VB Devonshire Regiment OR's cap badge circa 1896-1908. Die-stamped blackened brass Price of Wales plumes on scroll "2nd VB Devon". Loops. VGC (£75-100) SOLD FOR £100
Lot 309: 2nd VB Devonshire Regiment OR's cap badge circa 1905-1908. Die stamped example with applied oval tablet "5th VB" and scroll beneath "South Africa 1900-02". Loops. VGC (£100-£150) SOLD FOR £550!!!

[Rob Miller]

A new purchase, the top of the crown is bent inwards which is fairly common on slidered badges but I've not seen it on a lugged badge before?

The two holes are in the wrong place for a VB bar?

And its from the same dies as this badge converted to brooch fitting.

Rob

[Alan O]

Rob

I suspect the 2 hole and the cut-off lugs are because it was been nailed to a display board at some time in your life. This was not uncommon in the distant past.

Alan