231st Seaforth Highlanders - British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

whizzbang · #1 05-04-09, 06:30 PM

Attached pics show a Seaforth Highlanders cap badge I recently picked up. I think that this is a CEF badge for the 231st battalion Seaforth Highlanders of Canada, because of the flat-type lugs punched out of sheet copper. Note the use of FOUR lugs. I'd appreciate anyone's comments on this!
Cheers, Ian.

Phillip Herring · #2 05-04-09, 07:29 PM

My opinion - Legit 231st Battalion, manufactured by OB Allan of Vancouver.
Phil

Luke H · #3 05-04-09, 07:38 PM

It's not unusual to see Scottish badges with stamped out lugs in the UK (albeit usually in brass - cannot recall seeing copper ones before), they tend to be seen on earlier badges IMO and I believe there has been intimations in other threads that they may be subcontractors variations or made for TF.

Also the four lug arrangement is often seen on original Seaforth Highlanders badges.

Hope that helps,

Luke

whizzbang · #4 06-04-09, 02:01 AM

Thanks for the comments Phil and Luke. I'm pleased to have another opinion that this is indeed a 231st as I have been after one for a while and there are so many instances of this pattern!

Interesting to hear about British badges with flat-stamped lugs - anyone have an example? I thought that this type of lug was exclusively Canadian!

Cheers, Ian.

Alan O · #5 06-04-09, 10:23 AM

Ian,

I have a Royal Scots regt badge with flat lugs. I don't think there is a Canadian unit that wore it. I have also seen them on Black Watch and other (British) Scottish regt badges.

Alan

whizzbang · #6 06-04-09, 02:54 PM

Thanks Alan. Are your Royal Scots lugs brass or copper? Cheers, Ian.

Alan O · #7 06-04-09, 03:52 PM

I think that they (actually one is missing) were brass.

Alan

mad4thcef · #8 25-04-09, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by whizzbang

Attached pics show a Seaforth Highlanders cap badge I recently picked up. I think that this is a CEF badge for the 231st battalion Seaforth Highlanders of Canada, because of the flat-type lugs punched out of sheet copper. Note the use of FOUR lugs. I'd appreciate anyone's comments on this!
Cheers, Ian.

Hello Ian,

I was always told 3 lugs for sure was a genuine CEF badge for sure! 4lugs??? I am not to sure!

arcticmedals · #9 26-04-09, 02:19 PM

4 lugs is good for a WW1 badge. 3 Lugs (usually rounded) more likely Pictou Highlanders from WW2 whereas 2 lugs is always a UK Seaforths badge, often offered as a Canadian badge, but worth far less.

Have had British badges with flat lugs also, so this is not exclusively Canadian.

The badge pictured looks a bit "bright" on the back so would be cautious on saying it's original without seeing it. Wonder if it's flexible ?

whizzbang · #10 27-04-09, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by arcticmedals

The badge pictured looks a bit "bright" on the back so would be cautious on saying it's original without seeing it. Wonder if it's flexible ?

The badge is not very flexible if I try to bend it along the banner - moves slightly but springs back. Be easy enough to bend the horns, though, as they are quite thin!

The front of the badge is not shiny, might just be the pic. The back is a little shiny but I don't think that's too unusual? Lugs look the age and the quality and detail of the striking is very good.

Cheers, Ian.