makers marks

[ard-ri]

Originally Posted by Mike

I was just wondering if anyone had ever tried to contact Gaunt with regards marks? (and is my assumption correct that Firmin took them over in the early 90s?)

I contacted Gaunt and received the following email.


Dear Sir

Further to your recent e-mail concerning information relating to Badges produced by J.R. Gaunt.
Unfortunately we are not the same Company that produced these items as they ceased trading some 15-20 years ago and the whereabouts of what became of their records is unknown

We are sorry not to have been of assistance on this occasion

Regards

Stephen Connelly

[ard-ri]

Firmin http://www.firmin.co.uk/history.aspx

The Firmin Group incorporates several other long established companies which include J R Gaunt & Son (established 1750), William Dowler & Son (established 1774), Smith & Wright (established 18 th century) and Stratton of London (established 1860).


Michael

[Mike]

Originally Posted by fearnaught

Hi, I've got a Tank Corps bronze with B&P stamped on the tang.

would love a scan of. (To be used in the marks collection)

Originally Posted by Voltigeur

Hello Dave, just happened to catch this topic. I have a B P & Co Ld. B'Ham made DLI KC, does that mean that this badge was made during the WW1 period?
Regards
Jo

There was another thread here on B&P, or more correctly "BP & Co Ld" we never got a consensus of whether it was a Bent and Parker mark (normally B & P) or something else (another Company or a fake mark)



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[Malcolm Davey]

Mike here is the Suttle Cambridge, Ludlow and a B P & Co for the collection.

Malc

[Malcolm Davey]

Originally Posted by Mike

Hi Dave, yes that's the badge in question. thanks for the use of.


Joachim has one in his impressive OSD Album. don't know if it's marked though.

Hi Mike my osd is marked the same as Daves.
Cheers
Malc

[Mike]

Originally Posted by joachim

Hi Mike my osd is marked the same as Daves.
Cheers
Malc

excellent. And I think Dave will like that as well.

[davec2]

Hi Mike, you're not wrong, I'm well made up, it was Malcolm who originally started me on bronze badges after my first disaster and although I have quite a few, not too many are marked, the WAAC and my favourite ( from Malcolm ) a J&Co 1st ( Royal ) Dragoons are a couple to cherish.
Again, thanks for the re-assurance.
Regards,
Dave.

[KLR]

I think Mike (admin) is right, it probably depends on the badge, I've only seen B&PCoLtd but then there's no doubt about your OSDs.
It seemed that B&P stopped in 1916 because I can't find any paperwork of theirs after that date. They certainly were taken over by JRG but we should look at the terms of the take over - the HM silver items are not in doubt, and they may have had some sort of manufacturing / silversmithing / trading licence, I think we'll have to go to Companies House for this one.

Meanwhile ....
has anyone come across Pitt & Swatkin ???
They are named as badge manufacturers (of eg King's Regt) on a 2nd WW Min of Supply contract.
Pit t might be the well know button makers and googling Swatkin I see they were silversmiths - maybe they joined forces !?

[davec2]

Hi, me again, I picked this up yesterday, a freind of mine wants one but I went for this one because of the name, does anyone recognise it please ??
Regards, Dave.

[Alan O]

I have never heard of them. I would be very wary of this one as it has the same font as seen on other 'fantasy' marked badges. Very few small companys were left by GV1 time as either Firmin, Gaunts, London badge and button or Buttons Ltd Bham were making the badges. These firms generally only marked the post war badges (ie after 1946). This could be a pre 1953 badge but these GV1 CMP badges have been faked to death.

Alan

[wright241]

I assume that you have a scan of this one used on the Tyneside Irish badge.
If not, let me know and I'll send it in. David

[davec2]

Thanks Alan, I have since found a few manufacturers of British Legion badges from 1946 - 1971, amongst the regulars such as Gaunt, Ludlow and Roden, was a company called Jason & Jones Ltd, I wonder if it was possible to get the stamps mixed up. It is too much of a coincidence to have those names, on a slider, whether reversed or not, so I'm still holding some hope !!!!!
Again thanks,
Dave.

[ard-ri]

Re: Marples & Beasley.

Dear Michael.

Thank you for your email dated 29/04/2008;there has been a delay towards your enquiry due to the disruption to our service, however, I have placed your enquiry as priority to others, which I have in my possession.

In the Kelly's trade directory of Birmingham 1899, Edward Oliver Marples was a dram flask maker, based at 15 Albion Street & 117 and a half Carver St, Central Birmingham.

In the Kelly's Trade directory of Birmingham for 1900, the business of Marples and Beasley, silversmith was established at 15 Albion St, Birmingham, and in 1935 the trade become known as a medallists, based at the same address.

Furthermore, Marples and Beasley relocated to 260 New John Street, Birmingham, according to the Kelly Directory of Birmingham & Smethwick for 1958.

With the trade directory collection which we hold ending in 1974, I used
our old telephone directories towards progressing your enquiry; Marples
and Beasley Ltd back in 1978 was based at South Road, Handsworth, (which is approximately 2 miles away from Central Birmingham), trading as a Badges, Emblem makers.

In 1991 Marples and Beasley Ltd became known as a badge, regalia manufacturer, the premises were at 90 and 91 Buckingham Street, and this was the last entry for this business that exist within our department.

I looked through Archives and Heritage's trade catalogue card index to see whether or not, the trade catalogue collection, which I am responsible for, and also the section's business patent index, retained any material / information relating to Marples and Beasley Ltd, unfortunately, at this time, we do not have any thing for this local business.

Perhaps, if you could visit these website http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk, http://www.a2a.org.uk/ may be of benefit to you.

Regards


Alpheus Barrett (Mr)

[jeanpit-frenchy]

perhaps a new one (or a faker...)

BUTLER - 48 VICTORIA ST BIRMINGHAM

found on a 5th dragoon guards K and k n°745

[wright241]

I have a Rough Riders with:-
BUTLER - 48 VICTORIA ST
BIRMINGHAM
Is this required?