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Three Loops
The badge shown below is (in my opinion only) a fake. There are a number of reasons why I think this, but here I am interested in the fact that it has been made with three loops.
FD664DF2-D137-46BD-BB39-C0E89A5B13A6.jpg 3AB8F1B3-289A-4AF8-8816-AEB879C1995A.jpg If this badge is a fake, is the three loop configuration purely the product of the faker, or are there examples of 100% genuine cap badges of comparable size that were fitted with three loops, and if so, (some Artillery examples notwithstanding) why might three loops on a cap badge be necessary? With thanks, JT Last edited by Jelly Terror; 20-02-18 at 10:59 AM. |
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Whilst that is a fake (as are the RA ones) there were some Victorian badges with that configuration. The Royal Dragoons was found with 3 lugs for example.
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Hi JT,
I can think of a few Victorian/Edwardian ORs cap badge examples, which include: The Royal Dragoons, 7th Dragoon Guards and 3rd Kings Own Hussars that are typically with three loops. Then of course there are an array of officers’ head-dress badges adorning three loops and typically the 1942, RAC badge; although I have encountered that with two. As to why there’s three loops, I imagine three opposed to two is to gain a balance depending on the size and shape of the badge, hence, reducing movement and thus being held steadfast in position. Best, Marcus Last edited by Marcus H; 20-02-18 at 12:41 PM. Reason: Correction |
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This was discussed earlier - I can't remember where and when - and a few examples were given. It got me going on a search for a nice 1896 Patt KLR with three loops - alas without success (yet) !
I do have an officer's one with three loops - and there is one with three blades too. Anyway, I have a feeling that in the earlier thread there was mention of it being related to the FSH. |
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Thanks Julian, JT |
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Royal West Kent's had three!
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Excellent. So we can say that this configuration in itself is most definitely not a bad sign.
Thanks, gents. JT |
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I think good Berks Imperial Yeomanry had 3 lugs. Not sure if any were produced as such post IY. Regards, Paul.
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I think this configuration is a bad sign for Queen’s badges. Never seen a Queen’s with 3 loops. Closest, if I recall correctly, would be the officers badge where there’s a ‘tongue’ fitted centre of the scroll and 2 loops behind the lamb.
It’s very common for manufacturers of re-strike/fakes to either not know the correct fittings or fit something unusual that may intrigue a collector into buying. RNDs on sliders, Guards Machine Gun Bn on loops, Wandsworth Pals on loops, WW1 Tank Regiment on loops etc... the list goes on. Comparing other regiments badges and their fittings from different periods is like comparing apples and oranges. Just because it’s right for a 1950s Royal Lincs, Victorian Royal Dublin Fusiliers or pre 1908 Berks IY doesn’t mean it was ever right for a Queen’s badge. As to why 3 loops were used on some badges I’d say it’s just down to shape for most of the earlier ones. Cheers, Luke Last edited by Luke H; 20-02-18 at 03:20 PM. |
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I don't think I have never seen an original Queen's with three loops, the badge you show appears to be brand new!
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I have seen a bi-metal example of this badge (W/M overlaid scroll, no vent holes to rear) though only in a photograph. That example had two loops (E/W), and so I am wondering whether or not it might have been the badge that was the basis of this shameless charlatan. JT Last edited by Jelly Terror; 20-02-18 at 01:59 PM. |
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The basic Queen's looks like the attached and are common badges.
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