WELSH HORSE RPC

[BROOKIES]

Moving on through the album now at Welsh Horse.

Jonathan

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[GriffMJ]

Jonathan

I found this image trawling through the tinterweb..... I think it must be an Osprey publication? It shows an OR from the 25th Btn RWF.

According to the IWM they have an example of the Officers Helmet patch that is just the Leek (White) on a blue square. Note also the artist has put what may be a Leek on a blue diamond on the arm of the OR? So maybe the Leek was all Ranks minus the "WH"? The arm badge is wrong?

[41st]

Here's a PPC of the arm badge being worn post war by a man serving in the 25th Batt'n RWF which were not disbanded until the 1920s. The badge is a white vertical stripe, symbolic of the leek, set on a dark green diamond. This matches the example held in the IWM.

[GriffMJ]

Originally Posted by 41st

Here's a PPC of the arm badge being worn post war by a man serving in the 25th Batt'n RWF which were not disbanded until the 1920s. The badge is a white vertical stripe, symbolic of the leek, set on a dark green diamond. This matches the example held in the IWM.

Jonathan.... I am confused now.... I thought they had a white broken spur on a green diamond (as you mentioned the other day)?

Kevin
However..... what you have just said would explain this photo..... RSM James Crinyion of the 24th DHY Btn, we think in 1919 going by the service stripes, sat with...... men from the 25th Btn. The arm badges are the same as the above in your pic. (Nick Lock seemed to think it was the 6th Btn?)

So is the diamond Green/white/Green or blue/white/blue? Considering the 25ths Helmet patch was a blue sqaure with a white leek?

[41st]

Griff,

The arm badge was definitely white on green, as was the patch worn on both sides of the topee by all ranks, see below. These are the examples held by the IWM.

I don't know where the reference to a blue background came from as the regimental colour was green. It may be something that Bryn came up with. Unfortunately he made quite a few errors with regard to badges worn by this regiment, not least stating that he did not believe that the NCOs wore a regimental pattern badge above their chevrons. I have previously posted photographic evidence that they did.

Hwyl,

Kevin

[GriffMJ]

Kevin

Excellent and thank you The IWM actually state a "Navy Blue" Square for the Officers badge..... its a very very dark green?

So I am wondering now if the photo of RSM Crinyion is with the 24th Btn "The Welsh"? If their helmet badge was as stated below then maybe their arm badge diamond was the same?

[41st]

Griff,

Definitely a dark green.

I should have the information on the 24th Welsh as well. I'll try and dig it out over the weekend.

Hwyl,

Kevin

[BROOKIES]

Griff.

Some paperwork from the "reference library" that will clear up what was worn and time periods.

First two photo's at the start are Lord Kensington taken at St Fagan's as guest of the Bute family.

At the time of the letter the uniforms were there, hence earlier saying about the white spur.

Ta

Jonathan

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[GriffMJ]

Excellent and understood...

[GriffMJ]

Both

Thats interesting reading..... so the Officers wore a green diamond on the back of their collar with a cap badge on it.

Its not clear if the Welsh Horse stopped wearing their insignia either ....when becoming the 25th Btn with the Monty's.

[41st]

Griff,
I'm not sure whether the badge worn on the back of the officers' collar was woven or metal. An old collector I used to know told me he understood it to be gilded with a pin fitting.
Hwyl,
Kevin

[GriffMJ]

Originally Posted by 41st

Griff,
I'm not sure whether the badge worn on the back of the officers' collar was woven or metal. An old collector I used to know told me he understood it to be gilded with a pin fitting.
Hwyl,
Kevin

Like this one?

[41st]

No, that one is an altered lugged example.

[rizzo]

My paternal grandfather Ernest Hughes, enlisted in The Welsh Horse at Newtown, Montgomeryshire, 11th February 1915, I have a copy of his attestation from the National Archives at Kew.

[Frank Kelley]

A very nice image, I wonder what he made of life in the Royal West Kent Regiment, I would suspect a little different than what he might have expected.