2nd Volunteer Battalion Norfolk Regiment 1899

[hkbuttonman]

Just found a magnificent old card backed photo of 10 members of the what I think is 4 Section, R or B Company of the 2nd Volunteer Battalion Norfolk Regiment after winning the (X)orse Callenge Cup in 1899. Ten officers, Lieut, Sgt, Privates, Bugler etc posing in full dress uniform on a leopard skin with the trophy. All badges, shoulder titles, medals, buckles etc clearly visible. Photo is 11.5 x 9.5 inches. Has names and ranks of the officers but some are hard to read. If anyone is interested in this please PM me.
HKButtonman

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by hkbuttonman

Just found a magnificent old card backed photo of 10 members of the what I think is 4 Section, R or B Company of the 2nd Volunteer Battalion Norfolk Regiment after winning the (X)orse Callenge Cup in 1899. Ten officers, Lieut, Sgt, Privates, Bugler etc posing in full dress uniform on a leopard skin with the trophy. All badges, shoulder titles, medals, buckles etc clearly visible. Photo is 11.5 x 9.5 inches. Has names and ranks of the officers but some are hard to read. If anyone is interested in this please PM me.
HKButtonman

An acquaintance on the Great War Forum will be interested I’m sure, so I’ve posted this message via a link so that he can see it and get in contact.

[norfolk regt man]

Of course I would

[hkbuttonman]

My apologies for not posting the photo on the site earlier.
Here it is.

Great Picture HK, thanks for sharing that - Regards Mark

[rob carman]

This is a nice photo. Thank you.

Does anybody have suggestions on how to make the capitals, possibly currently in faded red, any the clearer?

Meanwhile here are two probable and two possible members of the cast:
Col Sjt E Soons, 370, 2 VB, VLSM Oct 1898
Sjt (Cpl in image) J Tuthill, 1222, VLSM July 1907
Pte TR Garrod, K Coy, 2 VB and 2 Vol Service Coy, South Africa, 1900
Pte J Whale, K Coy, 2 VB and 2 Vol Service Coy, South Africa, 1900

My notes do not mention K Coy, 2VB. I have only:
A, B, C, D Gt Yarmouth (late 2 Norfolk Corps);
E Gorleston (newly formed in 1876 under Captain PP Mathews);
F Bungay (late 4 Suffolk);
G Beccles (late 14 Suffolk);
H Lowestoft (late 17 Suffolk);
I Lowestoft (late 17 Suffolk);
J unknown location, (joined 1885).
Might K Coy have been a newly formed overspill unit from Yarmouth rather than a Suffolk unit brought into 2VB’s administrative fold?

The attached image shows another 2VB group from 1899, with possibly the same officer. This image is not mine and I failed to note its source. I suspect I found it on a Yarmouth Facebooks site. Either way, if you recognize it, please let me know so I can make amends to its owner. The legend mentions “Salter”. Two Salters Pte E, 57, and Pte A, 217, were both contemporary members of 2VB.

Corrections and additions welcomed.

Rob.

[rob carman]

Forgot the attached photo. Sorry.

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by hkbuttonman

My apologies for not posting the photo on the site earlier.
Here it is.

It's a nice picture and the chap in a Drummers tunic very typically wears a buglers badge as a nod towards the unit's Volunteer Rifle Corps heritage, regardless that it is now a scarlet clad unit. This was quite typical and another idiosyncrasy of VBs.

[rob carman]

That is interesting about the bugler badge worn by drummers. Thank you.

I have five beginner-caliber questions:

1. The rank given for this chap is "Bugler". Was he ever "Drummer"?

2. In a 1900 photo of Norfolk Volunteers bound for South Africa, the "Buglers" are all "Privates". Were/are Private and Bugler fully interchangeable titles?

3. In that same 1900 picture, men with a red cross badge are called Private and are listed as in the "bearer section". Did these men have a trade title such as "Bearer"?

4. I see that the Sjt and L/Cpl chevrons are on the right arm only. Was that unique to Volunteers or the rule throughout the army?

5. I have photo of WW1 Norfolk Territorials with chevrons on both arms. When did it change?

Rob.