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The ID came from a pattern book, broken up and sold off on e-bay a couple of years ago. |
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You obviously have much better reference material than what I have in my limited library! If it's a button you're interested in when it goes on eBay it will start at 99p so you might get lucky. Thanks for your help.
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Hi Chaps
I think the 3rd button is probably "Fire Brigade" but I can't decide what the first letter is meant to be - don't these Gothic letters (or whatever they are called) drive you mad? As regards the button itself, the backmark doesn't give much away. I would say the button dates from the 1850's at the very earliest but I think it's probably later than that - maybe late 1800's?? David |
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Hi Chaps
I've been advised by a Fire Service collector that button "3" is from the Metropolitan Fire Brigade, worn until the early 1900's. I think it was Dave who already guessed that. I must admit that it doesn't look much like a "M" to me but I'm only the messenger. The above period and obviously the location would fit in with the button though. David Last edited by davidwyke; 16-01-16 at 04:03 PM. |
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Did Deptford have its own fire brigade? If so, it could be Deptford Fire Brigade. depends on which stretch of the Thames it was found, I guess.
David |
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Blackletter (Old English or Gothic) is indeed hard, particularly because there are multiple font variations.
Attached is a button with letters B. & N.A.R.M. Its letter N is identical to the N.F.B. button. Last edited by btns; 17-01-16 at 05:01 AM. Reason: typo: it reads N.F.B. not N.F.D. |
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Dave. |
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I do not have copyright to his image, but I am attaching a Manchester Fire Brigade button with identical letters. |
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Letters are definitely 'MFB' and tellingly there are no full stops after initials, which may or may not differentiate between Brigades with similar lettering. Will hunt out any research I think I did when obtaining my specimen.
GTB |
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Hi Chaps
I can't really comment on the "M"/"N" debate but I found the article mentioned by "Btns" and the Metropolitan Fire Brigade button shown is brass and with a "Special Quality" backmark. Worn until 1904 incidentally, which agrees with what my source above advised. David Last edited by davidwyke; 17-01-16 at 11:23 AM. |
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With reference to various confusing Gothic/Old English lettering which have subtle differentiating styles that can mislead, I retract what I said concerning the 'MFB' button. It could equably be 'NFB'. I recall a similar polemic concerning RND/RNV buttons.
I am attaching a scan of my MFB button which I have as captioned Metropolitan Fire Brigade, pre-1904; 22mm; backmark 'J. COMPTON. LONDON.' GTB |
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Why couldn't they just have used capital "NFB" or "MFB" or whatever it may be, it would have avoided a lot confusion a century or so down the line!!
David |
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Just been cleaning up the Dragoons button and it has the name I GOOD BIRMINGHAM on the back. Never seen this back stamp before and can find nothing about them online so may help date it perhaps?
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