SLIDERS

[dumdum]

Originally Posted by Jelly Terror

Nice one, DD; thanks for your encouraging comments.

I look forward to seeing any gems you might be passing on.

Regards,

JT

Hi JT,

No worries. They've turned up with other stuff or been traded because at one stage I did think of collecting tehm9999999999i [NB: cat on keyboard has produced this last bit but I think that you can guess what it was supposed to be]

Cheers and "meow"!

[KLR]

Yes, I'll go and looked what I had on sliders.
I wondered whether Jo Bloggs (badge maker) made his own sliders
or
did they got them from a slider maker ???



I'm busy with Roman coins (just as exciting as badges) this afternoon.....

[dumdum]

Hi JT

You sort of roused me from my computer chair so I dug out a few of the ones I have.

Interested in all opinions as to how sought after (or not...) they are. I was told that the Royal Welsh Fusiliers has had the slider cut so that it will fit to a tropical helmet or on a pugri. Sweat holes on the Essex are full of old polish!

Anyway, I leave it over to the Forum to comment on them. If anyone wants a better photo of a particular badge, just ask.

It would be nice to think that someone can use these.

Cheers

[dumdum]

Hi

Ignore the T/ RFA title as I see that it is just part of a complete badge.....

Oh well, them's the breaks....

[Jelly Terror]

Originally Posted by KLR

Yes, I'll go and looked what I had on sliders.
I wondered whether Jo Bloggs (badge maker) made his own sliders
or
did they got them from a slider maker ???



I'm busy with Roman coins (just as exciting as badges) this afternoon.....

I suspect they churned out their own. The non-uniformity from known maker to known maker, especially with regard to sliders in the first half of the C20th, seems to point towards this.

Which links to something I’ve recently thought about… possibly a stupid question but what might the earliest-known ORs’ maker-marked badge be? How early were makers putting their names on badges made for the rank and file?

JT

[Jelly Terror]

Originally Posted by dumdum

Hi JT

You sort of roused me from my computer chair so I dug out a few of the ones I have.

Interested in all opinions as to how sought after (or not...) they are. I was told that the Royal Welsh Fusiliers has had the slider cut so that it will fit to a tropical helmet or on a pugri. Sweat holes on the Essex are full of old polish!

Anyway, I leave it over to the Forum to comment on them. If anyone wants a better photo of a particular badge, just ask.

It would be nice to think that someone can use these.

Cheers

Thanks for posting. Somewhat outside my sphere of collecting, but still good to see.

JT

[KLR]

Here's some fun:
War Office: Army Clothing Department: Register of Changes

(Army Clothing Department, 1857-1895; Royal Army Clothing Department, 1895-1933)
WO 359/1 Records of Changes: 1858-1866
WO 359/2 Records of Changes: 1866-1877
WO 359/3 Records of Changes: 1877-1882
WO 359/4 Records of Changes: 1882-1887
WO 359/5 Records of Changes: 1887-1893
WO 359/6 Records of Changes: 1893-1897
WO 359/7 Records of Changes: 1893-1896
WO 359/8 Records of Changes: 1894-1897
WO 359/9 Records of Changes: 1897-1899
WO 359/10 Records of Changes: 1897-1901
WO 359/11 Records of Changes: 1899-1903
WO 359/12 Records of Changes: 1902-1905
WO 359/13 Records of Changes: 1903-1908
WO 359/14 Records of Changes: 1904-1909
WO 359/15 Records of Changes: 1908-1915
WO 359/16 Records of Changes: 1915-1921
WO 359/17 Records of Changes: 1917-1921
WO 359/18 Records of Changes: 1921-1932
WO 359/19 Records of Changes: 1932-1939
WO 359/20 General notebook: 1900-1910
WO 359/21 Pattern book of 108 designs of badges for Volunteer Regiments; 1883-1899
Note. These designs were submitted by contractors to the regiments' requirements. Commanding officers then passed them to the Adjutant General's Office for approval.

[Jelly Terror]

Originally Posted by KLR

Here's some fun:
War Office: Army Clothing Department: Register of Changes

(Army Clothing Department, 1857-1895; Royal Army Clothing Department, 1895-1933)
WO 359/1 Records of Changes: 1858-1866
WO 359/2 Records of Changes: 1866-1877
WO 359/3 Records of Changes: 1877-1882
WO 359/4 Records of Changes: 1882-1887
WO 359/5 Records of Changes: 1887-1893
WO 359/6 Records of Changes: 1893-1897
WO 359/7 Records of Changes: 1893-1896
WO 359/8 Records of Changes: 1894-1897
WO 359/9 Records of Changes: 1897-1899
WO 359/10 Records of Changes: 1897-1901
WO 359/11 Records of Changes: 1899-1903
WO 359/12 Records of Changes: 1902-1905
WO 359/13 Records of Changes: 1903-1908
WO 359/14 Records of Changes: 1904-1909
WO 359/15 Records of Changes: 1908-1915
WO 359/16 Records of Changes: 1915-1921
WO 359/17 Records of Changes: 1917-1921
WO 359/18 Records of Changes: 1921-1932
WO 359/19 Records of Changes: 1932-1939
WO 359/20 General notebook: 1900-1910
WO 359/21 Pattern book of 108 designs of badges for Volunteer Regiments; 1883-1899
Note. These designs were submitted by contractors to the regiments' requirements. Commanding officers then passed them to the Adjutant General's Office for approval.

Excellent. Thank you.

WO 359/21 - pattern book of 108 designs of badges for Volunteer Regiments; 1883-1899 is a cracker of a file.

Regards,

JT

[Fatherofthree]

Originally Posted by dumdum

Hi JT,

No worries. They've turned up with other stuff or been traded because at one stage I did think of collecting tehm9999999999i [NB: cat on keyboard has produced this last bit but I think that you can guess what it was supposed to be]

Cheers and "meow"!

Greetings DD.

Perhaps it was chasing the Mouse.

As to the badges you've shown, The Essex is a fine example of the first pattern badge to the Regiment, 1881 to 1904 or thereabouts, possibly a year or so earlier.

From what I can see the remainder look good, but I'll leave others to comment on them if they wish.

Regards.

Brian

[Keith Blakeman]

Originally Posted by Jelly Terror

I suspect they churned out their own. The non-uniformity from known maker to known maker, especially with regard to sliders in the first half of the C20th, seems to point towards this.

Which links to something I’ve recently thought about… possibly a stupid question but what might the earliest-known ORs’ maker-marked badge be? How early were makers putting their names on badges made for the rank and file?

JT

Earliest I have is the fully voided 5th London pre & WW1 by Gaunt. I’ve had the Fattorini 7th DG in the past and probably a couple of their VTC’s.

[Jelly Terror]

Originally Posted by Keith Blakeman

Earliest I have is the fully voided 5th London pre & WW1 by Gaunt. I’ve had the Fattorini 7th DG in the past and probably a couple of their VTC’s.

The fully-voided LRB is a lovely badge.

How early would you say the 7DG is?

JT

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by Jelly Terror

Which links to something I’ve recently thought about… possibly a stupid question but what might the earliest-known ORs’ maker-marked badge be? How early were makers putting their names on badges made for the rank and file?

Just to confirm is this in respect to sliders only?

I know of Gaunt plaques on other ranks QVC KOSB and QVC Black Watch badges.

Originally Posted by Keith Blakeman

Earliest I have is the fully voided 5th London pre & WW1 by Gaunt. I’ve had the Fattorini 7th DG in the past and probably a couple of their VTC’s.

Don’t you mean Tiptaft, Keith?

[Keith Blakeman]

Originally Posted by Luke H

Just to confirm is this in respect to sliders only?

I know of Gaunt plaques on other ranks QVC KOSB and QVC Black Watch badges.



Don’t you mean Tiptaft, Keith?

Yes, sorry. I was thinking ahead to the VTC’s.

[Jelly Terror]

Originally Posted by Luke H

Just to confirm is this in respect to sliders only?

I know of Gaunt plaques on other ranks QVC KOSB and QVC Black Watch badges.


Don’t you mean Tiptaft, Keith?

Luke,

The query was in relation to MMs on sliders, but only because sliders is the subject of the thread. Great to have any other pertinent info as well. All grist to the mill, mate. Keep it coming

JT

[Luke H]

Potentially F.Starr Putney may be the first then with the Wandsworth Pals. I believe they were raised in 1915. Understand the first batch was claimed to have the rear impressed mark and the second the stamped slider, no idea how far apart these were or if that sequence is correct.