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Old 19-10-20, 10:20 AM
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Hi Leigh

Many, many thanks! I was given his trio (now in safe keeping) and Princess Mary tin, which Aunt Rosemary had claimed back from the Artist's museum.

In the tin is a letter that she wrote to me at the time, telling me how the museum had been a little reluctant to return the group...

I know that it is very hit and miss but are there any soldier's papers likely to be around? Also, is there a mention of an SWB issue (there wasn't one with the grouping but I wondered if he had qualified for one, being struck on the head)?

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Old 19-10-20, 10:55 AM
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From the Artists Rifles Roll of Honour.
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I do however wonder what "misuse of an apostrophe" means.
My guess would be that there was confusion about the placement of the apostrophe , some wrongly using it between the T & S (ARTIST'S) rather than the grammatically proper place after the S (ARTISTS').

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My guess would be that there was confusion about the placement of the apostrophe , some wrongly using it between the T & S (ARTIST'S) rather than the grammatically proper place after the S (ARTISTS').

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Yes, and then there was the regiment itself, which often omitted it at all (see all the badges and also other images above).

I have the feeling that the mentioning of "misuse" is also a sneer to the regiment. Something like: you made a mess of this all the time and could not make up your mind, now we have decided for you and live with it
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Hi

Thanks to everyone who's helped out here. I never knew Winisford ( I thought that it was "Winsford") but his widow was a delightful old lady who visited us a few times.

Many thanks again.
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Greetings.

I don’t believe that an apostrophe is needed, it is grammatically incorrect.

An apostrophe denotes either a missing letter, as in wouldn’t, or to indicate that an item belongs to something, someone or a number of things or people.

Both Artists and Rifles are plurals.

If the Rifles belonged to a single Artist, there would be an apostrophe between t and s, if the rifles belonged to more than one Artist, the apostrophe would be after the last s.

Neither the badge nor title of the unit indicate that the Rifles belong to anybody in particular.

The title denotes that it is a Rifles unit comprised of Artists; much the same as Finsbury Rifles shows that it is a Rifles unit comprised of men from (initially) the Finsbury area.

Whereas Duke of Cornwall's Light Infantry, (with an apostrophe between t and s) shows that the Regiment belongs to him.

Therefore, an apostrophe is not required.

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Old 21-10-20, 05:22 PM
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You most probably are right looking at it from the language/spelling side.
But my question is, how the official designation was. And that may have had an incorrect usage of the apostrophe.
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henk,

I am unsure of you question, however:

Artists Rifles should be the title as there is no possession (i.e. it is the nominative case (subject) not the genitive case (belonging to).

Artist's Rifles would be the rifles belonging to the artist (singular).

Artists' Rifles would be the rifles belonging to the artists (plural).

A misplaced apostrophe is also known as an abberant apostrophe - one used where there shouldn't be one.

I hope I haven't misunderstood your question.

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Well, the case is that some of the sources I used have an apostrophe. As I mentioned in post #6 above. Specially Regiments.org (link above), but others are shown in several of the posts above. Web sites are inconsistent.

It could be that that all that use an apostrophe are wrong and thus I am wrong. But why then the official statement mentioned in post #9 as quoted by @mike_vee from Forces War Records?
There must have been something in the past.

And because of this confusion, I try to find out what the official designation was in the different periods.

So this not about how a teacher of the English language will explain what it should be, it is about how it is written down in the official lists.
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Old 21-10-20, 06:34 PM
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By the way, I appreciate all the effort put by all of you in trying to answer my rather pedantic question.

Some of you may know my charts of which one is about the Artists Rifles: Artists Rifles, on which I try to improve. So that is the reason of my asking when I found in one of the first posts of this thread a "fan of the Artist Rifles". So I asked a quick question (that is what I thought) to make this clear once and for all.
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