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Old 22-02-20, 10:45 AM
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do you know this badge ? French motto but not French in the style, I think. US ?

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Old 22-02-20, 11:55 AM
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457th Air Expeditionary Group
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Old 22-02-20, 12:03 PM
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Looking at the badge, I would have thought it was contemporary to the 457th Bomb Group USAAF, it certainly has very considerable age to it, a very nice thing.

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do you know this badge ? French motto but not French in the style, I think. US ?

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Old 22-02-20, 12:04 PM
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Looking at the badge, I would have thought it was contemporary to the 457th Bomb Group USAAF, it certainly has very considerable age to it, a very nice thing.
I'd agree with Frank re. age, and it's a cracking badge.

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Looking at the badge, I would have thought it was contemporary to the 457th Bomb Group USAAF, it certainly has very considerable age to it, a very nice thing.
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Established as the 457th Bombardment Group (Heavy) on 19 May 1943
Activated on 1 July 1943
Redesignated 457th Bombardment Group, Heavy c. 1944
Inactivated on 28 August 1945
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Photo from 17/11/44 showing large insignia on mess wall.

http://www.457thbombgroup.org/zemper/384.html
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Thank you for your precise replies and comments

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Established as the 457th Bombardment Group (Heavy) on 19 May 1943
Activated on 1 July 1943
Redesignated 457th Bombardment Group, Heavy c. 1944
Inactivated on 28 August 1945
Based at RAF Glatton / Connington, a few miles from chez Kitchen which is surrounded by such old wartime airfields, what's left of the airfield is now Peterborough Business Airport.
Insignia on one of the memorials at the old airfield.
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It certainly is, I'd have bought without real thought, it is a very handsome badge, the tiny Boeing B17 is a particularly nice touch.


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That is a rather rare DUI (distinctive unit insignia), or what we simply refer to as DI, for this 8th AAF unit. How did you come across it?

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Just an observation. The attachment pin on the back is of more current manufacture typically seen on enameled badges from the 1970's to 1990's, so this is either a copy or more representative of the 457th Operations Group activated on 1 July 1993 and inactivated 01 October 1994
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Could it be an "Association" item ? Found a photo of an original 457th Bomb Group patch.
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The catch appears little more than a piece of wire, but, looking at the reverse photograph, the actual pin/hinge is no different than often found on wartime sweet heart brooches made here.


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I would have thought your attached patch was intended to be worn aircrew upon a leather jacket and that the badge in the original post was a piece of jewellery and nothing more.


QUOTE=mike_vee;501186]Could it be an "Association" item ? Found a photo of an original 457th Bomb Group patch.[/QUOTE]
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I would have thought your attached patch was intended to be worn aircrew upon a leather jacket and that the badge in the original post was a piece of jewellery and nothing more.
Was just showing that the badge was the same design as the patch the aircrew wore.
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