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Old 19-12-07, 08:50 AM
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o/r's Helmet Plate........
7 basic types known (last 3 found in 2 crown varieties also)

1. Laurels on upper scroll & 'Artillery Volunteers' on lower scroll (pre 1891)
2. Similar but with blank upper scroll (pre 1891)
3. Laurels on upper scroll & 'Volunteer Artillery' on lower scroll (post 1891)
4. Similar but with blank upper scroll (post 1891)
5. Laurels on upper scroll & 'Quo Fas Et Gloria Ducunt' on lower ( no date but
found with VC & KC ) This one with VC is pictured below .........
6. Similar but blank upper scroll (VC & KC varieties)
7. Similar but with no top scroll ( VC & KC varieties)
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Old 19-12-07, 09:06 AM
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w/m Grenades 1860-1902 worn on pill box cap & peaked cap ( these were used by other Corps also.) Also found in RMA style also.
2 styles are shown below...... plus small w/m standard pattern grenade collars ( 1880-1908) There are other variations for these collars also,with different flame patterns.
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Old 19-12-07, 09:27 AM
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Clearer pic below of 1860-71 pouch badge(with attached top wheel). Wooden carriage variety.
The previously mentioned ( & similar style as shown) metal carriage variety worn c1871-90. Worn also on 1890-1902 Officers Binocular case.
1902-08 pouch badge ,standard gun badge ,as for cap,but with screw post fixings (not shown)
Also shown here is the Busby Plume badge. Also found with a wider style flame & with the full Royal Arms on the ball with 'Ubique' on scroll above gun & with blank scroll & no scroll types here,also.

My sincerest thanks to Litchfield & Westlake's book 'The Volunteer Artillery 1859-1908' for much of the the information given here.

Some of these items are 'reasonably' common in NZ as the Volunteer (Navy & Army) Artillery,formed a fairly large part of our early military history. Using uniforms based on the British patterns with local unit ID epaulette insignia, etc. Though the actual dates of usage may differ slightly .

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Old 20-12-07, 06:34 PM
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Default Royal Regiment of Artillery Shabraque

Going back to the Shabraque this is what it looks like complete, well the one bit anyway. Sorry its fuzzy.

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Old 21-12-07, 05:51 PM
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Someone asked for DEMS.

Badge worn by qualified Gunners of the Maritime Regiments Royal Artillery, who operated the anti aircraft equipment on the Defensively Equipped Merchant Ships, DEMS, (Don’t Ever Mention Ships).

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Old 22-12-07, 12:52 AM
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54Bty,
That's a lovely Shabraque detail you've shown !
Yours ?
And the DEMS .....never seen that b4.
Any reference books available there ?
And very importantly, are they very difficult to come by ?

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Old 22-12-07, 01:13 AM
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A couple more for the Cap badge side of the thread.........
1. KC Officer's Bronze( unfortunately mostly removed now ), a 'Slim' version ,with 3 slender blades (one broken off) & side pinned top wheel. Die struck.
2. The more common KC 'Chunky' style ,with 3 normal sized blades (top one broken off here,a fairly common occurance with this type of fixing. It's wonder why it was carried on for so long ?)Die cast.
The newer QC version, is more like this, also.



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Old 22-12-07, 08:58 PM
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The Shabraque is not in my collection.

The DEMS badge is in my collection and yes they are hard to find, also worn were the two badges as seperate items one over the other. The official authorised badge for RA Maritime Gunners was the RN quarterdeck gunners badge of a single gun over the letter Q, but, as the Gunners were used to seeing and using crossed guns that is what was worn by some.

The other two badges worn were the formation badge for Maritime Anti Aircraft RA then a little later the formation badge of Royal Artillery Maritime Regiments. Both these badges exist in embroidered and silk woven, also hand made.

There is a book on British Army Qualification badges by Denis Edwards and David Langley, I can not remember if the DEMS is in it.

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Old 24-12-07, 11:50 AM
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Maritime Regiments Royal Artillery. The hand made version on a khaki slide.

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some more items ..........
1. Large shoulder title worn by clerks attached to RA Staff .Front.
2. As above. Back.
3. Early RA bullion rank badge. exists with QVC crown also .( "UPDATE".... refer to reply #94 ,by 54Bty for details of the wearing here.)
4. Mounted RA slouch hat badge (used by RE also,I think) Front. with hook. c 1900.
Also found is a version similar to Officer's collar badge, but with scroll replaced by a hook, as above, in 2 sizes.
5. As above. Back. (this is the NZA issue style back here, but not sure if others were the same.)

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This badge has always puzzled me.
I know what the RA Assc. is & does, but what was this very large (75mm or 3 inches deep) badge used for ? And when ?
These are quite often seen for sale ,so assume they are a common enough item?

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This was a RAA standard belt badge. Not used nowadays, the new belts are too narrow!

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The large RAA badge was fixed on the front of a black leather shoulder belt that held a black leather pouch ornamented with a gun. These were worn by the Royal Artillery Association Uniformed Staff, the RAA version of the Corps of Commisionaries. The RAAUS were formed by "retired" members of the RA who normally held an NCO rank while serving, they preformed similar jobs to the CofC such as doormen, internal and external messangers. When I find my note book I may beable to give the dates and display the type of numbers worn on the collar, thse were later changed to the RA monogram also the RAA shoulder titles and buttons. The RAAUS is a whole collecting field of its own.

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The RAAUS = Royal Artillery Association Uniformed Staff

Thanks to 54Bty !

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Those are nice. The officers cap badge goes on the blue/red No 1 dress cap. But where are the collars worn? They are not SD or No I Dress. And teh backing looks odd to me.

Eddie
Check this out, this is what the collars poss are a FS cap badges

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/268th-WARWICKS...QQcmdZViewItem

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