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Old 16-04-21, 08:52 PM
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Default Trench or police whistle?

My father has a whistle with regp bukta B2 stamped on the barrel at the top of the whistle has patent 5727-08 attached is a leather wrist strap. Iím trying to research it but just coming to a dead end. Iím thinking it a police whistle but not seen any with these markings on. Any ideas?

On another note i have one with C.W.S stamped on it any ideas what that stands for?

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Old 16-04-21, 08:58 PM
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I don't know the answer to your question but I'd never heard of Bukta so googled it:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bukta

And CWS - the Co-Op?
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Old 16-04-21, 09:33 PM
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Ahhh could be Cooperative Wholesale Society, is that a homeguards whistle?

Thatís really interesting re bukta has thrown me a bit now... sports clothing?

Got a not very good photo of it.
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Old 16-04-21, 09:55 PM
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the whistle is stamped REGD (registered design) BUKTA - Pretty sure it is made by Alfred de Courcy - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_De_Courcy

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De Courcy did not stamp whistles with his company name prior to 1906 but prior to this year supplied many orders to railway, Police, Army, Navy, Asylums, Fire Brigades, sporting goods companies, arm distributors and hardware stores as well as for other makers as W Dowler & Sons and B Lily & Sons. Many of his whistles prior to 1906 are easily identified by shape, construction and characteristic designs.

While his business and reputation grew he first stamped whistles A De Coursy & Co. Frankfort Street Birmingham in 1906.

It would be beyond the scope of this page to list all while some are still being discovered by collectors, here are some samples:

Stamped on GSWs:

Edinburg Police, Liverpool city police (Also marked with a crest at back), Leeds Police, Walsall Police, Westmorland Constabulary, W.R.C., Derby Borough Police, Lancashire County Constabulary
GPO General Post Office)
The City Patent Whistle
The City Police
The City Police or Fire Whistle
Boy Scouts whistles (GSW Type) The Scout, Girl Guide, The Boy Scouts, Bukta

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Old 16-04-21, 10:10 PM
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the whistle is stamped REGD (registered design) BUKTA - Pretty sure it is made by Alfred de Courcy - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_De_Courcy

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De Courcy did not stamp whistles with his company name prior to 1906 but prior to this year supplied many orders to railway, Police, Army, Navy, Asylums, Fire Brigades, sporting goods companies, arm distributors and hardware stores as well as for other makers as W Dowler & Sons and B Lily & Sons. Many of his whistles prior to 1906 are easily identified by shape, construction and characteristic designs.

While his business and reputation grew he first stamped whistles A De Coursy & Co. Frankfort Street Birmingham in 1906.

It would be beyond the scope of this page to list all while some are still being discovered by collectors, here are some samples:

Stamped on GSWs:

Edinburg Police, Liverpool city police (Also marked with a crest at back), Leeds Police, Walsall Police, Westmorland Constabulary, W.R.C., Derby Borough Police, Lancashire County Constabulary
GPO General Post Office)
The City Patent Whistle
The City Police
The City Police or Fire Whistle
Boy Scouts whistles (GSW Type) The Scout, Girl Guide, The Boy Scouts, Bukta

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Gary
Ahhh its a D not a P i need my eyes testing. thank you so much for taking the time to reply. So this is before 1906? So being stamped Bukta would this be a boys scouts whistle? I didnít even think of that i just thought it was military or police.
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Old 16-04-21, 10:12 PM
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Google search came up with: THE INTIALS C.W.S. STAND FOR THE CO-OP WHOLESALE SOCIETY - THEY SET UP THEIR OWN AIR RAID PRECAUTIONS IN WW2, AND THESE WERE ISSUED TO THEIR WARDENS

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Yep - I read it as a scout whistle
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Old 16-04-21, 10:17 PM
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Ahhh its a D not a P i need my eyes testing. thank you so much for taking the time to reply. So this is before 1906? So being stamped Bukta would this be a boys scouts whistle? I didnít even think of that i just thought it was military or police.
Nice item - pre 1906
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Old 16-04-21, 10:33 PM
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Google search came up with: THE INTIALS C.W.S. STAND FOR THE CO-OP WHOLESALE SOCIETY - THEY SET UP THEIR OWN AIR RAID PRECAUTIONS IN WW2, AND THESE WERE ISSUED TO THEIR WARDENS

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Thatís really interesting air raid warden. saw the arrow and automatically went to military. But was thrown by c.W.s thank you 😊
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Old 16-04-21, 10:37 PM
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Nice item - pre 1906
When I saw it with my father things I thought it looked nice. Heíll be fascinated when I tell him his WW1 military/ police whistle is actually Boy Scouts pre 1906. Thanks again. 😊
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Old 16-04-21, 10:49 PM
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When I saw it with my father things I thought it looked nice. Heíll be fascinated when I tell him his WW1 military/ police whistle is actually Boy Scouts pre 1906. Thanks again. 😊
Your welcome
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Hi Guys

Re the Boy Scouts whistle, You have to remember that the trial scout camp was held on Brownsea Island in Poole harbour in 1907 so any whistle pre 1907 is not a scouting item.

Hope this helps.

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Old 17-04-21, 08:07 AM
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Hi Guys

Re the Boy Scouts whistle, You have to remember that the trial scout camp was held on Brownsea Island in Poole harbour in 1907 so any whistle pre 1907 is not a scouting item.
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Hope this helps.

Regards

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Hi Phil

Ahhhh I didnít know that... hummm! So is it back to square one with trying to sus out what this whistle was used for... it did seem to read bukta was to do with the scouts... any ideas? Most interesting this little whistle track down is becoming 😊
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Old 17-04-21, 08:11 AM
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Bukta's own advertising for Scouts Kit mentions "since 1907".

The whistle being discussed is stamped B2 , one with a similar Bukta marking but stamped B3 was described as "Bukta police whistle" when sold at auction in January 2020.


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Old 17-04-21, 08:48 AM
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A B3 stamped one for sale on eBay described as "ANTIQUE BRASS POLICE OR FIREMAN WHISTLE" with additional info :

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Marked on top 'Patent 6727'. Mark on side that looks like 'Rege Bukta' and another mark that looks like 'B3'.
NB. A version called 'The City' has a patent number 6727-08 stamped on it which seems to indicate that minor modifications/improvements were made by manufacturer/retailers.


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