grenade shaped cloth badge

[candelabre]

Hi
I still have a sort of problem identifying a black grenade shaped badge
on both upper sleves on a 1940 BD Blouse with Welsh Badges..
I have seen a badge like this in tartan colours...
Anything to do with some sort of Fusiliers...
I`m from Denmark,but collect UK up to 1953
Also best whishes for the Xmas and new year to all fellow collectors...

[oc14]

I believe that this is an arm badge for the Royal Scots Fusiliers, worn in place of a red on white regimental cloth shoulder title

OC14

[signalman]

Hello Candelabre. I would agree with OC14 that it is Royal Scots Fusiliers, the grenade does not appear to be black, i think it is 42nd tartan which was worn by the regiment until 1951( Which would make sense on a 1940 patt bd) .Is the other grenade the same pattern as the one you have illustrated?.Regards Phil. and seasons greetings to you also.

[grey_green_acorn]

Here is the earlier thread with more pictures and information:

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ead.php?t=8275

[candelabre]

Hi
Thank you for the kind information.
The badge illustrated is the actual badge on my BD, both badges are the
same on both sleves, but it also has the Welsh Regiment "W" Badge.
Really it seems to be half green, half black but the colour is very tarnished..
There might have been 3 red arms-of-service stripes beneath the Welsh bdg.
as red tread beneath the Welsh badge is still left. There is no
trace of a Regimental named flash at the shoulder seam.
All tread is "salty" and not modern as far as I can see..
Is this a mixture of badges without no meaning..

The last tread refers to my first tread on the subject, still the same jacket

[Mike_2817]

I think you mean 53rd (Welsh) Division, and while the Royal Scots Fusiliers did not serve in that Division, as they were in the 15th (Scottish) Division they were fighting in the same area of Normandy, so it is highly likely that the 2 divisions had liaison officers on each others staff.

The multiple 'Arms of Service' are only worn by line battilons and not by an officer serving on the staff, so may indicate his transfer to the staff from a line unit? Anyone care to confirm?

[candelabre]

Hi
Thank You for answering, so far I understand.
I might try this web site

http://www.virtual-shropshire.co.uk/...rds/index.html

Kind Regards

[Peter Brydon]

From "Badges on Battledress" by Howard Cole published in 1949

P.B.

[wairua]

Hi Candelabre, I also think the grenade badge is Royal Scots Fusiliers and if looked at closely it appears to be dark blue and green rather than black.

This would be correct for Black Watch or “Government” tartan and as Signalman states would be correct for WW11.

Can’t help with the other patch unfortunately, but its always possible the original wearer may have been attached to 53rd (Welsh) Div as an individual.

For comparison I’ll attach a photo of a post war RSF Green Erskine tartan badge worn on a 1949 pattern BD blouse.

Anyway, nice find and all the best to you and all other forum members with unearthing more great finds in 2010!

Cheers,
Wairua

[candelabre]

Hi

Thank you all for the kind explonations, got an answer from the Welsh
museum, couldn`t tell anything about the badges.

Regards
Candelabre