Economy York and Lancs

[tonyb]

Am I correct in thinking there is no all GM economy York and Lancaster Regiment cap badge?
Tony.

[Luke H]

You are correct, no 1916 all GM issue exists.

[tonyb]

Thanks Luke.
Tony.

[Luke H]

I recall a thread where Peter Taylor claimed to have the regimental diary which supposedly records that in WW2 bazaar made badges were produced in brass. As always with the esteemed Mr Taylor I would be wary and also treat any such sand cast badge with the degree of caution needed.

[grenadierguardsman]

Originally Posted by Luke H

I recall a thread where Peter Taylor claimed to have the regimental diary which supposedly records that in WW2 bazaar made badges were produced in brass. As always with the esteemed Mr Taylor I would be wary and also treat any such sand cast badge with the degree of caution needed.

I agree with you there, sand cast badges are just cheap field repair replacements imho.
Andy

[cbuehler]

Originally Posted by grenadierguardsman

I agree with you there, sand cast badges are just cheap field repair replacements imho.
Andy

They may be as said, but why do many cloth "theatre made" or "field made" items bring such a premium price?
While such badges may not be issue, if they were obtained and worn during the period, they are certainly genuine, albeit IF they are genuine....do I detect cap badge snobbery here

CB

[Alan O]

There is a lot of misinformation about Bazaar badges. I reality they were not just wartime but in peacetime made by local suppliers in India and Egypt for sale to both soldiers and occasionally to the units themselves.

Some of the Indian ones were very well made in deed. They are invariably cast with the overlays pinned where the design in bi-metal. I would expect Y&L bazarr badges to be available in bimetal although it's possible that all brass ones were produced in wartime.

Problem is are that they have been copied by Pakistani firms and therefore hard to date.

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by Alan O

Problem is are that they have been copied by Pakistani firms and therefore hard to date.

100%. Same method of construction and fixings etc. with no real way of telling when it was made. Even ones appearing to have some age could be old reproductions or far more recent and aged up by various methods such as burying in a plant pot for a month. A fakers dream.

Personally I wouldn’t buy without provenance or I’d have to be very, very convinced by one. To date I still have no ‘theatre made’ badges in my collection. Dismounts hobby horse.

[cbuehler]

Just when the "bazaar" made badges were made is the big problem. Certain styles of fixings and markings can often be an indicator and I suspect the majority of them are likely older period made pieces.
This is of course my opinion, but I doubt that many original British made badges remained available for copying in India or Pakistan for very long after their independence, nor much of a demand to justify making them.
I would certainly not buy anything coming out of those countries in recent years!

CB

[grenadierguardsman]

Originally Posted by cbuehler

They may be as said, but why do many cloth "theatre made" or "field made" items bring such a premium price?
While such badges may not be issue, if they were obtained and worn during the period, they are certainly genuine, albeit IF they are genuine....do I detect cap badge snobbery here

CB

Ha, no but as you've mention " if they are genuine ". A lot of late 1700 and early 1800 badges etc etc were cast though, so you never know.
Andy