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Old 23-03-20, 06:10 PM
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Default Interpreting reference numbers on trade patches

Can anyone shed light on the different sequences of reference numbers used on Royal Navy trade patches? I am assuming that there has been a standard list of reference numbers at any particular point in time, which has been updated periodically over the years.

I am attaching pictures of some trade patches, of the same trade designations, but showing different reference numbers for the same trade patch.

I would interested to know if the lists of reference numbers can be found somewhere, as well as periods during which each list was valid?

I assume that the 3 digits plus letter are the oldest, followed by 5 digits starting with '30' (in this case) and then '33', and finally the most recent being the longer reference starting with 'V086' or 'V087'.

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They are VOCAB numbers - unique stores references. Have a look here, there is I think a full list somewhere.

The other numbers are part NSNs - NATO stock numbers e.g. 139-9372

https://rmhistorical.com/royalnavy

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Here is the Royal Marines VOCAB list https://rmhistorical.com/images/Mast...cab%20List.pdf

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This is a current list which shows some of the old VOCAB numbers and the NSNs.

https://rmhistorical.com/files/conte...20Jun%2016.pdf

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This is a current list which shows some of the old VOCAB numbers and the NSNs.

https://rmhistorical.com/files/conte...20Jun%2016.pdf

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Thank you Tim!

This is most helpful, especially for modern trade patches and older patches from c.1956.

Any ideas where Vocab numbers for WW2 FAA patches might be found?
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Some FAA badges described here from a 1956 order.

https://rmhistorical.com/files/conte...-1956%20RN.pdf

Would they be as WW2?

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Page 11 shows some air ratings badges with ‘pattern nos’ in the 70 to 80 series which may be part VOCAB numbers

https://rmhistorical.com/files/conte...-1939%20RN.pdf

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Some FAA badges described here from a 1956 order.

https://rmhistorical.com/files/conte...-1956%20RN.pdf

Would they be as WW2?

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Thank you Tim!

WW2 numbers are in different format, i.e. 3 digits plus a letter.

See the attached Meteorological Observer patches, the first of which I believe to date from the late 1940s (introduced in 1948) or early 1950s, and the second which I believe dates from the mid-1950s onwards.

I have also attached a photo of an Air Mechanic Fitter (F) patch, which - according to the information I have - was only in use from 1948 to 1956; the Vocab number also being of the earlier format of 3 digits and a letter.

Anyway, I will keep searching...

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