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Old 11-04-21, 10:20 PM
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A fine example John.

I am seeking an extruded slider example from that die, like below, plus also the WM version as described above.

In all likelihood it will be a long wait for both.
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Old 11-04-21, 11:17 PM
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I have always thought that in real terms, these badges were likely interchangeable. I doubt anyone would question a badge in wear by either RDY or Staff due to the proportions of the lion/crown. The badge description is the Royal Crest for both. I would assume that this applied to some POW plumes badges for certain regiments as well. As collectors, we would naturally prefer hard and fast answers, where there actually may be none.

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Old 11-04-21, 11:53 PM
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I have always thought that in real terms, these badges were likely interchangeable. I doubt anyone would question a badge in wear by either RDY or Staff due to the proportions of the lion/crown. The badge description is the Royal Crest for both. I would assume that this applied to some POW plumes badges for certain regiments as well. As collectors, we would naturally prefer hard and fast answers, where there actually may be none.

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I would disagree. The hard and fast answer is the badges shown in posts #1, #18, #19, #22, #23 and #24 are other ranks R1DY and not Staff Officers.
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Old 12-04-21, 01:14 AM
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Right, I see this. The sliders indicate this. Does this apply to the officer badges as well?

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PS, I presume this to be a Staff badge, but can't see why it could not not be the Yeomanry badge either?
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Old 14-04-21, 11:04 AM
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Yes the sliders on the above, die stamped GM construction and voiding etc. mark them out as OR badges not officers and therefore not staff.

There’s also photographic evidence of badges from both dies shown being worn by R1DY troopers.

The same does not apply to officers badges nor do the voids follow the ORs arrangement. The badge you show I have seen two identical examples in Keith Hook’s collection as R1DY.

I’m told to differentiate from the ‘Gilded Staff’ a new pattern was approved circa 1917 shown here: https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...Devon+Yeomanry

Note the difference in the voiding around the lion and attachment points.
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Old 26-01-22, 07:51 AM
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This badge is a problem, its been an annoying gap in my collection for a long time but I have taken the plunge and bought two examples of the type talked about in previous posts. I'm still not completely convinced but it does seem to be the most likely WW1 period version, I do suspect the white metal version was used in the Imperial period and beyond but maybe not on khaki?

The specific Lions legs pattern isn't repeated on the Officers collar badges or on the post 1920 cap badges so I suspect its just a makers variant rather than a Regimental distinction?

The twin blade fixings are a worry but may be as a result of a small badge being frequently lost in the Horsey and Cyclist rolls?

In 1914 the Royal 1st Devonshire Yeomanry was doubled up to form a 2/1st initially taking over Horse's from the 1/1st and then converting to Bicycles, a large batch of badges must have been needed, but did they later on wear the Army Cyclist Corps badge?

My two examples are nicely die struck with a good brown (bronzed) chemical coating.

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Default WM 1st Royal Devon Yeomanry.

This one arrived today, WM 1st Devon Yeomanry cap badge, very little about this badge on the Forum, this thread is probably the best.
https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ead.php?t=5948

My example matches the one in post 36 about which no comments were made!
Normally not a good sign.
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Old 11-02-23, 01:48 PM
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Not R1DY in my belief.

Only seen two genuine WM badges, one in Keith Hook’s collection, and both were from the same die as per Rob Miller’s other ranks bladed example in post #37 of the linked thread.

It is a very scare early badge worn on full dress.
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Old 11-02-23, 02:23 PM
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If the badge was only worn in full dress I do wonder who the gentleman is in the postcard portrait in post twenty one in the thread linked to in the original post in this thread.
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Old 11-02-23, 02:33 PM
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It will be gilding metal either as issued or with the bronze finish polished off likely following the order to polish post issue of tin hats.
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Old 11-02-23, 03:08 PM
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The example below was recently on eBay which I sadly missed out on.

There is a GM slidered badge from the other die found in post #2 of this thread.

Struggling to find pics of both my GM slidered examples but they are a match to the above.
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Old 11-02-23, 03:20 PM
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The 1st Devon Yeomanry badges with the scroll badges certainly exist. However the only photo I have seen where they may be in use was post 1917 by ORs and not officers. All officer photos just have the crown. If they did wear them (see link below to dealers badge) and they may well have done post 1916) then a photo would be nice to find.

http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/s...ps8os3i3tf.jpg

This is a Gaunt bladed one and definitely bladed which suggests an officer's cap badge.

https://www.gnmilitaria.co.uk/shop.php?code=21922

This was the 1st RDY CO up to early 1917 and the badge is scrolless https://www.moretonhampstead.org.uk/...hambleden1.JPG

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Old 12-02-23, 02:48 PM
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I own this bronze one with loops. It appears to match the die shown in the picture in terms of size and detail. if it was an officers' cap then I would have expected tangs but there are no hard and fast rules for Yeomanry badges!

I do wonder if the pre war ones were bronzed (w/m for the No1 dress cap)nbut the 1916 orders made by the ACD were in brass? KLR may know.
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Old 12-02-23, 03:13 PM
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A nice other ranks cap badge Alan.

Personally I attribute that die to WW1 as I have seen an example on an extruded slider and the distinctive arches are visible in several WW1 photos, inc. above.

My understanding is the officers metal cap badge was a different design with a scroll akin to the recent GWF photo. Here is a die cast bronze example on the forum.

Blades are encountered on a few other early Yeo other ranks badges.

You can see the WM version in my Top 10 Wanted album, the fixings are the same as the bronzed badge in post #37. My view is the tang fixing badges are early pre-War manufacturer.

At the outbreak of WW1 the R1DY were wearing bronzed badges on khaki sd. The 1916 tenders record that order as bronzed GM also.
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Old 12-02-23, 03:16 PM
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This is a great photo- a few Bz cap badges in view. I assume it's pre war. The variety of hats is typical of the Yeomanry in 'undress'.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/02/92...94e6ab5a1c.jpg
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