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Old 02-05-19, 04:27 PM
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I know it is an old post but lovely badges. Do you have an album?

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Prior to the adoption of the Specialist reinforcement badges, machine gun reinforcements wore the same reinforcement badges as the Infantry, sometimes with the letters “MG” in centre position.

First pattern Specialist Company badges. (Produced in brass, bronze and silver, although I have yet to see a bronze version)



Second pattern Specialist Company badge. (Produced only in cap badge size in brass and silver)




Third Pattern Specialist Company badges. (Produced in brass, brass with silver machinegun, bronze and silver machinegun worn by officers, and silver)



All three Specialists pattern cap badges were worn with the first and third pattern collar badges as well as other generic reinforcement collar badges.

The Specialist Company badges were worn up until the 33rd Reinforcements, from the 34th Reinforcements onwards, the Specialist Machine-Gun Section reinforcements more commonly wore the ‘Stubby barrel’ crossed machine gun cap and collar badges. (These were worn with the NZMGS shoulder title)

The following arrived in my mailbox today, it is a rare NZ Specialist Machine-Gun Section reinforcement qualification badge, these were usually worn on the left arm, but I do have photos showing these being worn on the right arm.



Lance Sergeant Hereward Regenald Ludbrook, Service No. 54667, 33rd Reinforcements Specialist Company, Embarkation Date: 31 December 1917. (Died of wounds France 8th September 1918)
Sergeant Ludbrook is wearing Third pattern Specialist collar badges and a Reinforcement Machine Gun qualification arm badge.
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Old 03-05-19, 07:51 AM
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Selection of differant NZMGC patches.
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Old 05-05-19, 06:16 AM
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I know it is an old post but lovely badges. Do you have an album?

Chris
Hi Chris, sorry I do not have an album.

Brent
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Old 05-05-19, 06:57 AM
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Selection of differant NZMGC patches.
Hi Lee, thank you for posting these, its only when you get to see a number of different collections that you can see the types of variations that exist.

This one just arrived in the mail box on Friday, it was another purchase off Ebay and came out of Canada and was being sold as a "New Zealand, Machine Gun Corps Headquarters Cloth Formation Flash."



It is of course not a NZMGC star patch, but it is a No.4 NZ Light Trench Mortar Batteries patch, which I am missing from my collection.
The only concerns that I had when purchasing it was its size as the circle only measured 1 and a 1/2 inches across, and the black felt square measured 1 and 3/4 inches square.
So it is slightly smaller to my other 3 patches as can be seen below.



The Regulations (No.416) however are pretty precise when it come to dimensions as can be seen below.



Now it could be said that it is just coincidence that it looks like a New Zealand WW1 patch, and may be a Canadian boy scout patch for all we know.
However the material the patch is made from is an exact match to others that are in my collection.
Also at the last meeting of the Wellington Militaria Collectors Club another member turned up with the following patches which also came out of Canada, and the NZMGC stars as well the other NZLTM patches also measure at 1 and 3/4 inches square.



However I do have a credible answer as to why these miniature patches exist, and will post further on the subject.
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Old 09-05-19, 08:01 AM
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I haven't managed to find the documents that may relate to the miniature patches in the previous post, but will have a better look on the weekend.

However, in the meantime I think it is worth re-posting this image that was posted by Puk a while back.
The image is of a No.2 NZ Light Trench Mortar Battery patch that is on the back of an officers tunic that is on display at the Gore Museum.

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Old 10-05-19, 07:57 PM
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I have shown the photos of William Woods officer cuff rank jacket to William's descendants, and they are rapt to see it.


Unfortunately the NZLTM jacket is not on display, but in storage at Hokonui Heritage centre, in Gore. They do have a 7th Southland mounted rifles other ranks jacket, with a mocked up felt hat though. The No.2 NZLTM officers jacket has 14th South Otago collar badges, so it should be traceable, as to the wearer. Only if I had a copy of Keith Sloane's book* on the subject . I will ask Keith if he has a copy to buy, as it a good reference, as well as a good read !!


* '' Living with high explosives" History of the No 2 New Zealand Light Trench Mortars.

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Old 11-05-19, 10:40 AM
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Hi Lee, thank you for posting these, its only when you get to see a number of different collections that you can see the types of variations that exist.

This one just arrived in the mail box on Friday, it was another purchase off Ebay and came out of Canada and was being sold as a "New Zealand, Machine Gun Corps Headquarters Cloth Formation Flash."



It is of course not a NZMGC star patch, but it is a No.4 NZ Light Trench Mortar Batteries patch, which I am missing from my collection.
The only concerns that I had when purchasing it was its size as the circle only measured 1 and a 1/2 inches across, and the black felt square measured 1 and 3/4 inches square.
So it is slightly smaller to my other 3 patches as can be seen below.



The Regulations (No.416) however are pretty precise when it come to dimensions as can be seen below.



Now it could be said that it is just coincidence that it looks like a New Zealand WW1 patch, and may be a Canadian boy scout patch for all we know.
However the material the patch is made from is an exact match to others that are in my collection.
Also at the last meeting of the Wellington Militaria Collectors Club another member turned up with the following patches which also came out of Canada, and the NZMGC stars as well the other NZLTM patches also measure at 1 and 3/4 inches square.



However I do have a credible answer as to why these miniature patches exist, and will post further on the subject.
I've found that regulations are quite often incomplete, sometimes wrong and often the sizes are not exactly the same.
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Old 12-07-19, 06:40 PM
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A variation of the WW1 Onward badge. Worn as a collar and surrounded by a wreath. Has anyone have this particular badge in their collection? Fern badges were also sometimes worn with WW1 Onward badges, either as cap or collar badges.
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Old 12-07-19, 08:50 PM
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A variation of the WW1 Onward badge. Worn as a collar and surrounded by a wreath. Has anyone have this particular badge in their collection? Fern badges were also sometimes worn with WW1 Onward badges, either as cap or collar badges.
Hello Iain,
Interesting picture, thanks for showing.
I don't have this particular Onward badge. It looks like some of the Sweetheart badges.
Cheers,
John
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Old 13-07-19, 12:11 AM
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Hello Iain,
Interesting picture, thanks for showing.
I don't have this particular Onward badge. It looks like some of the Sweetheart badges.
Cheers,
John

Thanks John. It is not a one off either as evidenced by this other NZEF soldier wearing the collar badges.
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Old 13-07-19, 12:19 AM
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While I'm on the subject, here are some more varieties of the WW1 Onward badge. The NZNC/ NZ Maori battalion man wearing the ''Oak leaves'' variety. Some still peddled as "British section''
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Old 15-07-19, 07:17 AM
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A variation of the WW1 Onward badge. Worn as a collar and surrounded by a wreath. Has anyone have this particular badge in their collection? Fern badges were also sometimes worn with WW1 Onward badges, either as cap or collar badges.
Possible?
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Old 15-07-19, 07:21 AM
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Thanks John. It is not a one off either as evidenced by this other NZEF soldier wearing the collar badges.
Interesting, seems to be the same photographer.
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Old 15-07-19, 07:54 PM
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Possible?

Appears more than likely Brent that it is of the same design . There is no evidence of the blue enamel on the collar badge though.

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Old 23-08-19, 04:51 PM
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Guys,
came across this one the other day... still probably not what he is wearing, and clearly a Sweethearts badge, but close.

All the best
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