TF/TA Badges worn after 1916??

[Peter Brydon]

As well as a couple of very dodgy looking supposed 5th Kings badges currently on E bay, there are also a couple of very well made spurious bi metal 10th ( Scottish ) battalion glengarry badges on there as well.

I have to confess that a long time ago I purchased a bi metal Liverpool Scottish glengarry badge from a now deceased co author and collector and thought I had acquired a scarce item but of course all I had acquired was a well made dud.

I have shown these Kings Liverpool "duds" on here before but as there seems to a plethora of Kings T.A. battalion badges being list at the moment on E bay it is worth comparing any badge members might be interested in with these which I have seen over the years in all brass, all white metal, bi metal and reversed metals and in bronze with a slider.

The main give away is the rough finish on the body of the horse and although it wont be obvious until you are able to handle one of these badges, the metal bends very easily with finger pressure.

I picked up the badges shown for about £2 each which is about all they are worth.

P.B.

[Chrisr]

I have drawn up a DRAFT list of the TF and TA battalion and regimental badges 1908 - 1967 which is below, and which might help with determining when the badges were worn (authorised to wear).

I have used the information provided by Alan, Phil and Julian, together with K&K, Gaylor, and the Regiments.org site http://web.archive.org/web/200801080...ents/index.htm. Where I am unsure of dates I have added ??

The information may be incorrect and I may have missed some bns and badges. Feel free to make corrections.

I notice that K&K Vol II has badges post 1920 that Alan believes disappeared in 1915 -1916 - so K&K may be wrong in a number of instances and we would need to clarify this.

I haven't included the Cyclist Bns unless they were a Bn of a regular unit. Nor have I included the 1967 Territorials badges such as the Dorset Territorials and Wiltshire Territorials as I understand these badges were never worn - correct me if I am wrong.

I haven't included The London Regiment and those Bns that went to there corps/regiments after 1935-37, which I will put in another post after this one.

Please feel free to correct anything I have written and add units I have missed. I will update this list re dates as the information comes in.

Cheers
Chris

The Royal Scots (Lothian)
4th and 5th Bns - WM Star of the the Order of the Thistle with stringed bugle horn below the centre. 1908 -1921

4th/5th Bn - as above 1921- 1938. Did they continue wearing the badge when they converted to 52nd Searchlight Regiment in 1938?


The Queens Royal Regiment (West Surrey)
5th Bn - BB regular pattern 1908 - 1915.


The Buffs (Royal East Kent)
4th Bn - Bronze regular pattern with “4th Bn The Buffs” on the scroll 1908 - 1915


The King’s Regiment (Liverpool)

5th Bn - BB regular pattern 1908 - 1921, WM regular pattern 1921- 1927, BB new regular pattern 1926-1937. A BB hybrid of the old and new regular pattern badge introduced 1927 - and possibly worn until 1958 as a Cadet badge?? Still being researched by Julian.

6th Bn - BB stringed bugle horn over a rose 1908 - 1938. Liverpool OTC and Cadets continued to wear the badge until 1958, and CCF army contingent of Merchant Taylor's School, Crosby, Liverpool into the 1980's.

7th Bn - WM version of both regular patterns 1908 -1926 New pattern 1926 - 1938

8th (Irish Bn) - BB Irish harp, Wreath and scroll. 1908 - 1923 War Office SPN 9036 on 24/07/1916 [source WO 359 VOL. 16 p24] . A new design white metal version KC 1923 - c1958 SPN 3796 sealed 16/05/1923 [WO359 Vol. 18 18 p65]. There are photos however of London Irish soldiers wearing the WM version during the Great War. A/A QC version 1964 - 1967.

10th (Liverpool Scottish) - WM King’s White Horse badge over Saltires within circle of Thistles. 1908 - 1937. Trans to Cameron Highlanders 1937 and new badge adopted in 1939.


The Lincolnshire/Royal Lincolnshire Regiment
4th Bn - Regular pattern BM with blank scroll 1908 - 1915

5th Bn - Regular pattern BM with blank scroll 1908 - 1915


The Devonshire Regiment
4th Bn - BB regular pattern 1908 - 1915

5th Bn - WM regular pattern 1908 - 1915


The Suffolk Regiment
4th Bn - Regular BM pattern with blank motto and different castle 1908 - 1923 plus

5th Bn - Regular BM pattern with blank motto and different castle 1908 - 1915

6th Bn - Regular BM pattern with blank motto and different castle 1908 - 1915


The Somerset Light Infantry
4th Bn - WM Regular pattern with “South Africa 1900-01” -1908 - 1916

5th Bn - WM Regular pattern with “South Africa 1900-01” -1908 - 1916


The West Yorkshire Regiment
7th Bn - BB Cross based on Order of Bath with “Leed’s Rifles” on circlet the whole surrounded by laurel wreath Scroll across “7th Bn PWO West Yorkshire” -KC 1908 -1922

QC S A/A version similar design with tank between bottom scrolls - was this worn between 1956 - 1967 as 7th Bn (Leeds Rifles) West Yorkshire Regiment 1956-58 and later as The Leeds Rifles (Princess of Wales’s Own Regiment of Yorkshire) in 1961?

QC S AA version without tank but scroll The Leed’s Rifles as The Leed’s Rifles Territorials Yorkshire Volunteers 1967-1969

8th Bn - BB Cross based on Order of Bath - and circlet with “Leed’s Rifles” the whole surrounded by laurel wreath Scroll across bottom “8th Bn PWO West Yorkshire” - KC 1908 -1922

7th/8th Bn - BB Cross based on Order of Bath - battle honours on arms of cross - and circlet with “Leed’s Rifles” the whole surrounded by laurel wreath Scroll across bottom “7th Bn PWO West Yorkshire” - KC 1922- 1936


The East Yorkshire Regiment
5th Bn BB version of the regular pattern badge - 1908 - 1920?


The Bedfordshire Regiment
5th Bn - S AA The old pre 1920 regular pattern badge - 1958-1961


The Leicestershire/ Royal Leicestershire Regiment
4th Bn - BM regular pattern with no Hindoostan scroll - 1908 - 1915 Also Brass econ

5th Bn - BM regular pattern with no Hindoostan scroll - 1908 - 1915 Also Brass econ

6th Bn - BM regular pattern with no Hindoostan scroll - 1908 - 1915 Also Brass econ


Alexandra, Princess of Wales’s Own (Yorkshire Regiment)
4th and 5th Bn - Bronze Regular pattern with scroll South Africa 1900-02 below - 1908 - 19??? Was this only for Officers?


The Lancashire Fusiliers
5th.6th. 7th and 8th Bn - BM regular pattern with blank plinth - 1908- 1916


South Wales Borderers
Brecknockshire Bn. Br/GM/WM Welsh dragon on Scroll “Brecknockshire” - 1908 -1922?


The Cameronians (Scottish Rifles)
5th Bn WM regular pattern but smaller with 5 between bugle strings - 1908 - 1915



The Gloucestershire Regiment
4th Bn - BB regular pattern with blank plinth - 1908 - 1915

5th Bn - WM regular pattern with blank plinth - 1908 - 1915

6th Bn - WM regular pattern with blank plinth - 1908 - 1915

The East Lancashire Regiment
4th and 5th Bn - Regular pattern with blank plinth and “South Africa 1900-02” scroll below. 19?? -1916
- Also without South Africa 1900-02 scroll 1908-1916


The East Surrey Regiment
6th Bn - BB Maltese Cross version 1908 - 1915
- BB regular pattern version 1920 - 19??


The Border Regiment
4th Bn - Eight pointed star KC with Maltese Cross “South Africa 1900-12 “ on circlet with 4 in centre and base scroll “Border, Cumberland and Westmoreland Regiment” 1908- 19???

5th Bn - Eight pointed star KC with Maltese Cross “South Africa 1900-12 “ on circlet with 5 in centre and base scroll “Border, Cumberland Regiment” 1908- 19???


The Royal Sussex Regiment
5th (Cinque Ports) Bn - GM Maltese Cross with behind a Roussillon plume, in centre a circular background with arms of Cinque Ports. Below cross a scroll “Cinque Ports” 1908 -19??


The Hampshire/Royal Hampshire Regiment
6th Bn - WM Within a strap inscribed “Duke of Connaught’s Own” surmounted by a ducal crown. In the centre a Hampshire rose and below a Br scroll “Hampshire’” 1908 - 1938

7th Bn - Br Dog Gauge badge w/o crown. 1908 - 1915

8 Bn - BB, WM and A/A Within a wreath a circlet inscribed Isle of Wright Rifles in the centre the Tower of Carisbrooke Castle -1908 - 19???

9Bn - Br KC Spoked wheel in the centre the Hampshire Rose a scroll below inscribed “Hampshire Cyclists Battalion” 1911- 1919

11th Bn from 1940 Royal Jersey Light Infantry - Br KC Shield with three leopards on saltire 19?? - 1946

Royal Guernsey Light Infantry - Br Stringed bugle horn above a scroll inscribed ”Royal Guernsey” 19?? -19???


The Dorsetshire Regiment
4th Bn - BM as per regular badge but with blank plinth 1908- 1915


The South Lancashire Regiment
4th Bn - BB as per regular pattern but with blank plinth 1908 - 1915

5 Bn - BM as per regular pattern but with blank plinth 1908 -1915


The Welsh Regiment
7th Bn - BB as per regular pattern 1908- 1920


The Black Watch
4th, 5th, 6th and 7th Bn - WM as per regular pattern but with ribbons instead of sphinx on bottom 1908 -1915

1st Bn Tyneside Scottish trans from DLI in 1940 - 4th pattern Tyneside Scottish badge 1940 - 1944 when disbanded. Re-constituted as 670th LAA Bty (Tyneside Scottish) RA. Did they change to RA badge?


Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire Light Infantry
Buckinghamshire Bn - KC WM/BB Maltese cross, circlet inscribed Buckinghamshire Battalion in centre a swan with coronet around its neck 1908 - 195??
- QC BB version 195?- 19???


The Essex Regiment
4th, 5th,6th and 7th Bn - BM as per regular badge with blank plinth and scroll beneath “South Africa 1900-02” 1908 - 1915

8th Bn - BM as per regular badge with blank plinth and scroll 1908 -1916 Br econ version 1916 - 19???


The Sherwood Foresters
7th Bn - WM/BB KC, laurel wreath within which a cross based on Order of the Bath “South Africa 1900-02” on arms of cross, in centre circlet inscribed The Robin Hoods” 1908 - 195?
- A/A white QC version 195? -19???


The Northamptonshire Regiment
4th Bn - BM as per regular badge but with scrolls “4th Battalion” and “South Africa 1900-02” 1908 - 1915
BM as per regular badge but with blank scrolls 19?? - 1915. Br econ version 1916 - 19???


The Middlesex Regiment
7th, 8th and 9th Bn - BM as per regular but “South Africa 1900-02 instead of “Albeura” 1908 - 1916 - Br Econ version 1916

10th Bn - BM as per regular but blank honour instead of “Albeura” 1908 - 1915


The Wiltshire Regiment
4th Bn - BB as per regular pattern 1908 1915? (K&K VOL II mention being worn after 1920 and sealed 7th April 1916 ??)


The Manchester Regiment
7th Bn - Bronze/ Bronzed Br/Br A floriated Fleur -de Lys 1908 - 1915


The Durham Light Infantry
6th Bn - BB regular pattern badge 1908 - 1938 and 1947 -195? QC Version 195? -1967

12th Bn (Tyneside Scottish) - WM 4th pattern Tyneside Scottish badge 1939-1940 Trans to Black Watch as 1st Bn Tyneside Scottish 1940 - 1944 when disbanded.


The Highland Light Infantry
5th,7th and 8th Bn - WM as per regular pattern but blank scroll 1908 -1915

6th Bn - WM as per regular pattern but “South Africa 1900-02” on scroll 1908 - 1915

5th, 6th and 7th Bn - WM as per regular pattern but “South Africa 1900-02” on scroll 1908 -1915

9 Bn - WM KC As per Black Watch Regular pattern but with blank sphinx plinth and scrolls ‘The Glasgow Highlanders” above and “9th BAT HLI” 1908 -1939

Became 1st Bn The Glasgow Highlanders 1939 - WM KC As per Black Watch Regular pattern but blank sphinx plinth and with scrolls ‘The Glasgow Highlanders” above and “Highland Light Infantry” below 1939 - 1953 (K&K VOL II mention sealed 2nd December 1939 -
- QC WM version 1953 -195??
- QC A/A Version 195? - 1967??


Seaforth Highlanders
5th Bn - WM Within a strap inscribed “Sans Peur” a cat-a-mountain 1908 - 1916
- WM Within a circlet inscribed “Sans Peur” a cat-a-mountain 1916 - 1946


Queen’s Own Cameron Highlanders
The Liverpool Scottish - WM As per regular pattern but additional scrolls “Liverpool” and “Scottish” on left and right wreaths 1939 - 1961 Did they wear an A/A version?


The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
8th Bn - WM As per regular pattern scroll tag below inscribed “8th A & H” 1908 - 1915


The Honourable Artillery Company (Infantry)
GM Grenade with letters HAC on ball 1908 - 1952
AA version 1952 - 1973


The Monmouthshire Regiment
1st Bn - WM/Br The Welsh dragon standing on ground 1908 -1925?? K&K have new badge sealed A25 May 1925 Gaylor says 1922
WM KC Laurel wreath inscribed with battle honours. Inside a Welsh dragon standing on ground 1925 - 19?? K&K have new badge sealed 25 May 1925 Gaylor says 1922
Was there an AA version?

2nd Bn - GM The Welsh dragon standing on ground 1908 -19?? Was there an AA version?


The Herefordshire Regiment/ Herefordshire Light Infantry
BM Crest of City of hereford over a scroll “Herefordshire” 1908 -1947 Br econ version 1916 -1918
WM Lion holding dagger on plinth inscribed “Manu Forti” over a bugle 1947 - 195?
AA version 195? - 1967??


The Hertfordshire Regiment
GM KC A circlet inscribed “The Hertfordshire Regiment” In the centre a hart lodged 1908 - 1961??


The Cambridgeshire Regiment
BM A bridge on which is superimposed the arms of Ely, Beneath this a scroll inscribed “The Cambridgeshire Regiment” 1908 - 195??


The Queen’s Royal Surrey Regiment
AA GS. QC on an eight pointed star with the pascal lamb superimposed 1959 - 1966


The Suffolk and Cambridgeshire Regiment
BM and AA GS. QC Castle and Key of Gibraltar on which superimposed the arms of Ely . Below a scroll inscribed “Suffolk and Cambridgeshire”- 1961- 1966


The Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire Regiment
AA GS. Old Bedfordshire Yeomanry badge with a hart lodged superimposed. Scroll beneath inscribed “Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire” 1961-1966

[Chrisr]

Further to the above post I here is the London Regiment list which includes the Bns and subsequent units post 1935-37 when they were transferred to other corps and regiments. As before please feel free to correct and I will update this list as the information comes in.

]The London Regiment

5th Bn WM (London Rifle Brigade) First version 1908 - 1922?
WM Second Version with battle honours 1922? - 1956 Trans to RB

6th Bn (City of London Rifles) - BB 1908 -1935 Converted to RE and adopted RE badge

7th Bn - BM 1908 -1935 Converted to RA

8th Bn (Post Office Rifles)- WM/GM 1908 -1922 absorbed by 7th Bn

9th Bn - (Queen Victoria’s Rifles) BB/WM 1908 - 19??? Trans to KRRC 1937 and amal with Queen’s Westminsters 1960

10th Bn (Paddington Rifles) - WM/Br/BB 1908- 1912

10th Bn (Hackney) - Br 1912 - 1935? Trans to Royal Berkshire Regiment

11th Bn (Finsbury Rifles) - BB 1908 - 1935? Trans to RA

12th Bn (The Rangers) - BB First Version 1908 - 1920
- BB Second Version Great War battle Honours 1920 - 1937 Trans to KRRC 1937
- BB Third Version (KRRC ) 1937- 1956. Trans to RB

13th Bn ((Kensington) - Br 1908- 195? Trans to RSigs 1946 but retained badge
- G AA and S AA versions 195? - 1968

14th Bn ( London Scottish) - WM 1908 - 195? Trans to Gordon Highlanders 1937
- S AA version 195? - present 1967 was G Coy 51st Highland Vols and 1993 became A Coy London Regiment.

15th Bn (Civil Service Rifles) - BB 1908 -1921 Amal with 16th Bn

16th Bn (Queens Westminster Rifles) - BB 1908 -1921 Amal with 15th Bn to form 16th London Regiment (Queen’s Westminsters and Civil Service Rifles)

16th Bn (Queen’s Westminsters and Civil Service Rifles) - KC BB 1922- 195? Trans to to KRRC 1938 renamed Queen’s Westminsters 1938 and amal with Queen Victoria’s Rifles 1960 to form Queen’s Royal Rifles (KRRC)

The Queen’s Royal Rifles - BB 1960 - 1967

17th Bn (Poplar and Stepney Rifles) - Br/WM 1908 -1926

17th London Regiment (Tower Hamlets Rifles) - WM 1926 - 1946? Trans to RA 1947

18th Bn (London Irish) - KC BB 1908 -1923 Trans to RUR 1937
- KC WM 1923 - 1957
- QC WM and S AA 1957 - present now D Coy London Regiment
- QC WM Beret badge but not popular with the unit

19th Bn (St Pancras) - BB, GM, WM - 1908-1935 Trans to RE and wore RE badge

20th Bn (Blackheath and Woolwich) - WM 1908 -1946 Trans to RE in 1935 and later RA but retained badge until disbanded in 1946.

21st Bn (First Surrey Rifles) - BB 1908 - 1935 Trans to Re and wore RE badge and later RA

22nd and 24th Bns (Queen’s) - 1908 -1922 Regular pattern Queen’s Royal Regiment (West Surrey) badge and from 1922 - 1937 the new regular pattern badge. Trans to Queen’s as 6th and 7th Bns The Queen’s Royal Regiment

23rd Bn - 1908 - 1938 Trans to East Surrey Regiment as 7th (23rd London) in 1937 and retained badge until became RTR 1938 Re-raised as 23rd London Regiment 1956 QC version G and S AA 1956 -1960.

25th Bn (Cyclists) - Br/Bronze/WM - 1908 -1922 Absorbed into R Sigs 1922

28th Bn (Artists Rifles) - WM/GM/BB “Artists Rifles” version 1908 - 1938
- WM/GM “Artists” version 1938 - 1947 (K&K say sealed 14th April 1938)

[KLR]

Wow, that's quite a bit of work Chris. I'll take a broader view later on but just now I'll comment on the Kings. (This, I take it, just relates to Other Rank's cap badges - there are some differences in officer's Patterns)

The King’s Regiment (Liverpool)

5th Bn - BB regular pattern 1908 - 1921, WM 1921- 1927 , A BB hybrid of the old and new regular pattern badge 1927 -1954. I'm beginning to think it was worn by cadets but am still researching this one. Need to confirm this. The 1926 Pattern badge in black was also worn up to 1937.

6th Bn - BB stringed bugle horn over a rose 1908 - 1926 New pattern 1926 - 1938 No, not sure what you mean by a "new pattern" - the same pattern was worn from 1908 to 1938 - though cadets continued to wear it up to 1954.

7th Bn - WM version of both regular patterns 1908 -1926 New pattern 1926 - 1938

8th (Irish Bn) - BB Irish harp, Wreath and scroll. 1908 - 1922. A new design white metal version KC 1939 - 1960 . A/A QC version 1960 - 19?? The AA version only appeared in 1964 (the KC WM version being worn up to then) ! - then abandoned in 1967.

9th Bn - WM version of both patterns of the regulars 1908- 1921
NO - the 9th Bn only ever wore the bimetal badge of the regulars (there is abundant documentary evidence). I think it was Gaylor who might have "invented" this WM story.

10th (Liverpool Scottish) - WM King’s White Horse badge over Saltires within circle of Thistles. 1908 - 1937. Trans to Cameron Highlanders 1937 and new badge adopted - but the new Cam badge only appeared from 1939

[Alan O]

I think K&K's 1920 date are arbitrary. We know from KLR's research that after 1916 blank scroll badges were no longer authorised for the TF. However when the VTC were reformed in to Volunteer Battalions in the second half of WW1, KLR has evidence that the old blank scroll badges were -reauthorized for wear by them. Actual adoption of the designs was haphazard.

Likewise some TF designs were not adopted as sealed patterns so their production would have ceased in 1915 (less those re-authorised for the Vol Bns). I suspect K&K did not know so used the 1920 date as a convenient one for their book.

[Chrisr]

Dear Julian,

Many thanks. Yes, I am only dealing with OR's badges in the both lists, as I think they are what most members collect.

I have made the corrections to the King's badges you posted. The 6th Bn was a mistake on my part in cutting and pasting which I didn't pick up in the proofreading.

One query which I am not sure of - which badge of the 5th Bn King's relates to your comment "I'm beginning to think it was worn by cadets but am still researching this one." Is the hybrid badge? would you also please confirm the 5th wore the WM old pattern regular badge from 1921-1927?

Again many thanks for your corrections.

Best wishes
Chris

[Chrisr]

Dear Alan,

Many thanks. Yes I think K&K made a number of assumptions on the TF/TA badges in their Vol II. I have deleted those references, except the 4th Wiltshire which K&K say was sealed in April 1916? Any thoughts on the 4th Wilts?

I have assumed 1915 as the end date for all TF/TA badges except where we know they were worn later.

Best wishes
Chris

[KLR]

Chris, I'm only going on what is available from official documents.
From 1908 they wore a blackened version of the regular Pattern, designated Pattern 598/1915 (incidentally found in one and two pieces)
From 1921 they wore a WM version sealed as Pattern 3510/1921 - ie the same as what the 7th Bn wore.
I assume that badge was superseded in 1926/7 by the blackened version of the regular Pattern 10042/1926. I cannot find a Patt no for this badge but it must have been worn up to losing 'rifle status' in 1937.
The difficult bit is the blk 'hybrid' (K&K 2357). I'm not sure that K&K are correct that it was introduced in 1927 - their wording looks like the 1926 description as seen in official documents. But yes it was officially made obsolete in 1954. It was perhaps worn alongside the 1926 pattern OR MAYBE only dates from 1937 and only worn by cadets ?????? As I say, I'm still working on this one.

Generally, and apropos Alan's remarks, were no Patt nos given by the County Territorial Associations for their new badges in 1908. The WO took over provisioning of "most" TF cap badges in 1915 and gave them 3 digit Patt Nos (as the 5th Kings noted above). In 1917 however they repatterned them with regular 4 digit numbers (though curiously leaving out 5th Kings - they seem to have waited unil 1921 !!). This is where - in the RACD ledgers - you will find introduction, use and obsolescence orders - I have quite a few of these written down and will try to sort them out for you.
best wishes, J

[Peter Brydon]

Attached is a copy of a letter sent to me in 1977 by the C.O. of 208 (3rd West Lancs ) Air Defence Battery which included A Troop ( Liverpool Irish ) which confirms that the anodised Liverpool Irish badge ( and anodised Liverpool Irish buttons ) were only worn up to 31st March 1967, he did not know when they first came to be worn.

There may have been cadets who continued to wear the anodised cap badge, there is still a unit in Speke which even now has Liverpool Irish in its name but I understand they do not wear the Liverpool Irish badge.

It always amazes me when mint anodised Liverpool Irish badges turn up when it may be 47 years ago since the badge was last worn.

P.B.

[Alan O]

Originally Posted by Chrisr

Dear Alan,

Many thanks. Yes I think K&K made a number of assumptions on the TF/TA badges in their Vol II. I have deleted those references, except the 4th Wiltshire which K&K say was sealed in April 1916? Any thoughts on the 4th Wilts?

I have assumed 1915 as the end date for all TF/TA badges except where we know they were worn later.

Best wishes
Chris

Chris

1916 would be a likely sealed pattern date for the TF badge and as there were no battlehonours involved it make sense for the Wilts TF BB badge to continue. It would be interesting to know if the lineage from the Rifle antecedence was carried on past 1920.

Alan

[KLR]

Peter,
The letter states 1967 rather than 1964 ! So we know the date of introduction and use of this badge - a mere 3 years !! But, yes, there do seem to be a lot of them about - I know of three makers though (detailed in Chris Marsh's AA book).
Julian

[Peter Brydon]

Sorry Julian a typo.

P.B.

[Alan O]

Alexandra, Princess of Wales’s Own (Yorkshire Regiment)
4th and 5th Bn - Bronze Regular pattern with scroll South Africa 1900-02 below - 1908 - 19??? Was this only for Officers

Yes it was an Officers badge only. Ebay does have ORs fakes.

[grey_green_acorn]

[QUOTE=KLR;
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6th Bn - BB stringed bugle horn over a rose 1908 - 1926 New pattern 1926 - 1938 No, not sure what you mean by a "new pattern" - the same pattern was worn from 1908 to 1938 - though cadets continued to wear it up to 1954.


Julian,
The 6th Bn badge was worn by the OTC then CCF army contingent of Merchant Taylor's School, Crosby, Liverpool into the 1980s I believe when replaced by the KING'S Fleur de Lys type. I certainly wore it in a rifle green beret from 1964 to 1969.

Tim

[KLR]

Hi Tim,
Firstly I apologise for getting the obsolete date wrong (it's catching !) - it was 1958 (which makes more sense), not 1954. Yes, I knew the bugle badge was worn into the 1980s and am confused because of this earlier order ? Maybe the CCF had a separate order somewhere ??

LoC published 31.08.1959 p398
C 9374
Badges, Cap
5th King’s G.M Bronzed (Cat. No. CB 1313)
6th King’s G.M Bronzed (Cat. No. CB 1314)

(the first part was about the intro of the new Lancs Bde badge)
2. Consequent on the use of the King’s Regiment cap badge (Cat. Nos. CB 3083 and CB 0349) being restricted for use by the 5th Bn. King’s (T.A.) and Liverpool University O.T.C., the above mentioned items are hereby declared obsolete.
22nd May, 1958 – 54/Infantry/8697 (D.I.S.C. 1822)