Welsh Territorial Titles (finally ready for framing)

[JerryBB]

A fine collection and love the displays you have done

[BROOKIES]

Jon.


This what you looking for.

Ta

Jonathan

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[BROOKIES]

Looking at the feed seems as if most Welsh region s/t covered, someone should do a book on them as probably all the Welsh collectors together have everyone.

A few more to add.

Looking forward to more uploads

Jonathan

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[cymro]

Outstanding collection Jonathan. Yours is far more extensive than mine. I should have explained my criteria. I sought shoulder titles and badges that would have been worn on service dress of combatant units during WW1 only. Hence my interest in the cloth and the temporary badges too. I do not aspire to a such a complete collection as you have. Wales‘ participation in WW1 is my great interest.

[Alex Rice]

Originally Posted by cymro

Hi Alex - a number of the Welsh units of the Div (including S Wales Brigade units) were swapped out immediately prior to and just after commencement of histilities to be be deployed elsewhere. All three Monmouthshire Battalions became pioneers for example and served in other Divs.

Thanks!

[BROOKIES]

Jon.

That's the bug when you start collecting, should specialise in one field/regiment/area like you and Dave (Eddie) who both have superb collections (not to mention others, they know who they are) as I'm never going to finish my collection but will just keep adding to it.

Have copied that badge for you and also that rpc showing variant of the temporary cap badge (post marked 21 Ju 1915).

Ta

Jonathan

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[54Bty]

Originally Posted by cymro

Some 38th Div pieces... the circle is 15th not 13th, I know...Will change the plaque.

The embroidered tower badges look like the Army Cadet Force ones. Are they?

Marc

[cymro]

Originally Posted by 54Bty

The embroidered tower badges look like the Army Cadet Force ones. Are they?

Marc

10th and 11th SWB. The latter was worn post war by Cadets too.

[cymro]

Originally Posted by BROOKIES

Jon.

That's the bug when you start collecting, should specialise in one field/regiment/area like you and Dave (Eddie) who both have superb collections (not to mention others, they know who they are) as I'm never going to finish my collection but will just keep adding to it.

Have copied that badge for you and also that rpc showing variant of the temporary cap badge (post marked 21 Ju 1915).

Ta

Jonathan

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Thanks Jonathan - yes, due to my interest in ww1 alonge it afforded me the opportunity to have a completion goal so to speak. Yours is truly a reference collection!

Lovely postcard - well spotted on the badge!

[Longdog]

Hello Jon,

Well that’s made my evening just viewing your collection 😁.
think your choice of layout is stunning and sets off the collection superbly.
Some very challenging titles to find shown there and reckon it’s a great achievement, worth all those years to complete and what an interesting and informative journey it must have been.

You know it’s good when Jonathan says he wouldn’t mind a couple -high praise indeed😂!!
Jonathan, only joking and always appreciate seeing more of you and the Old Mans stunning collection.

Eddie, enjoyed seeing them Monmouth titles again sir, it’s just showing off having 2 OTC patterns / finishes 😂.

Jon, couple of points for possible thought:

RAMC: 1st Welsh Divisional Field Ambulance:
Another pattern of this title exists with Monmouthshire scroll.
Not certain of the significance if it relates to a different period of wear?
Sure Eddie is the man to comment on anything Monmouth related.

RAMC: South Wales Mounted Brigade Field Ambulance:
Was a T RAMC South Wales title worn as well ?
Sure (?) many years back I saw an example.
Additionally, There was a badly put together example in the Professor Thomas collection.

RAMC: Welsh Border Mounted Brigade Field Ambulance:
Was a 2piece RAMC Welsh Border title worn as well ?

Welsh Guards:
There are 2 different size shoulder titles that exist, larger pattern shown in Westlake. I believe the smaller (scarcer) pattern worn by officers.

Be interested in thoughts on any of these points, be good to learn more or find out if I’m wide of the target - nothing new there 🙄
Fantastic to see Jon, some of the insignia shown there so rarely appears on the radar and you’ve really done them proud with that display.
Thanks for sharing.
Best wishes
Pat

[cymro]

Originally Posted by JBBOND

A fine collection and love the displays you have done

Thanks Jerry - I know you have a fine collection too.

[cymro]

Originally Posted by Longdog

Hello Jon,

Well that’s made my evening just viewing your collection 😁.
think your choice of layout is stunning and sets off the collection superbly.
Some very challenging titles to find shown there and reckon it’s a great achievement, worth all those years to complete and what an interesting and informative journey it must have been.

You know it’s good when Jonathan says he wouldn’t mind a couple -high praise indeed😂!!
Jonathan, only joking and always appreciate seeing more of you and the Old Mans stunning collection.

Eddie, enjoyed seeing them Monmouth titles again sir, it’s just showing off having 2 OTC patterns / finishes 😂.

Jon, couple of points for possible thought:

RAMC: 1st Welsh Divisional Field Ambulance:
Another pattern of this title exists with Monmouthshire scroll.
Not certain of the significance if it relates to a different period of wear?
Sure Eddie is the man to comment on anything Monmouth related.

RAMC: South Wales Mounted Brigade Field Ambulance:
Was a T RAMC South Wales title worn as well ?
Sure (?) many years back I saw an example.
Additionally, There was a badly put together example in the Professor Thomas collection.

RAMC: Welsh Border Mounted Brigade Field Ambulance:
Was a 2piece RAMC Welsh Border title worn as well ?

Welsh Guards:
There are 2 different size shoulder titles that exist, larger pattern shown in Westlake. I believe the smaller (scarcer) pattern worn by officers.

Be interested in thoughts on any of these points, be good to learn more or find out if I’m wide of the target - nothing new there 🙄
Fantastic to see Jon, some of the insignia shown there so rarely appears on the radar and you’ve really done them proud with that display.
Thanks for sharing.
Best wishes
Pat

Hey Pat,

Thanks so much for this. For the MONMOUTHSHIRE as opposed to MONMOUTH on the 1st Welsh Div Field Amb, I'm also not sure whethere there is any significance in the difference - I'm inclined to think not and that they used both, but its a fascinating question.

As is the existence or otherwise of T/RAMC/SOUTH WALES. There is a a hazy thought in the back of my mind that I've seen one, but in separates on a backing plate. When it comes to titles with SOUTH WALES in its hard to determine whether they refer to the old South Wales Brigade before being broken up or the South Wales Mounted Brigade.

On the Welsh Border RAMC I've certainly not seen one together as a title. Perhaps Jonathan has? The Welsh Border Mounted Brigade is a little out of scope for me.

Thanks too on the Welsh Guards. I'm inclined to go with the WG and Leek together for the display. Do you know if there was any change in the design of the leek between WW1 and WW2 at all?

Best regards
Jon

[Frank Kelley]

Those boards are very nice indeed, a time consuming and expensive labour of love I suspect.

Originally Posted by cymro

The lockdown has allowed me some time to frame my Welsh Territorial Shoulder title collection. Luckily I had the material with me before the lock-down so I've spent a few hours mounting them. Some still loose bit nearly finished! I've spent a number of decades finishing this collection and I was very relieved to be able to do so last year, thanks to a very kind member of this forum (you know who you are!)

Best
Jon

[BROOKIES]

Afternoon Jon/Pat.

Only have a two part ASC South Wales and RAMC Welsh Border in the collection, can't remember seeing all one T RAMC but they are probably out there.

Pat (if reading apologies for not replying) the Connaught Rangers badge in the SWB frame is because when they mutinied in India in 1920 the SWB were sent into round them up (grandfather being 6 foot 4 inches and heavy weight boxer) but when told to organise a firing squad they refused, so some London regiment came in and shot the ring leaders.

Copied up some more rpc that maybe of interest and some more s/t to continue the feed.

RWF with 38th Div patch, WG, Monmouthshire T2 and T ASC W.B.M.B (1911 Newton Camp, Porthcawl).

And just for Pat a pair of bronze Welsh s/t.

Very nice officers bronze MYC badge but still doesn't go with the T Y Mont (about 10+ years out).

Keep up the collecting (just bought another badge to add as lockdown can't stop the need to collect) and the joy it brings.

Ta

Jonathan

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[Longdog]

Originally Posted by cymro

Hey Pat,

Thanks so much for this. For the MONMOUTHSHIRE as opposed to MONMOUTH on the 1st Welsh Div Field Amb, I'm also not sure whethere there is any significance in the difference - I'm inclined to think not and that they used both, but its a fascinating question.

As is the existence or otherwise of T/RAMC/SOUTH WALES. There is a a hazy thought in the back of my mind that I've seen one, but in separates on a backing plate. When it comes to titles with SOUTH WALES in its hard to determine whether they refer to the old South Wales Brigade before being broken up or the South Wales Mounted Brigade.

On the Welsh Border RAMC I've certainly not seen one together as a title. Perhaps Jonathan has? The Welsh Border Mounted Brigade is a little out of scope for me.

Thanks too on the Welsh Guards. I'm inclined to go with the WG and Leek together for the display. Do you know if there was any change in the design of the leek between WW1 and WW2 at all?

Best regards
Jon

Jon,

Thanks for replied on those enquiries, interested to read that.
I too think the Monmouthshire title is a variant pattern but do not know for sure.
be interested to hear other views about that and the South Wales and Welsh Border.

Welsh Guards titles as mentioned, each have 3 hex lugs:
Large pattern: 67mm
Small pattern: 36mm

Best wishes
Pat