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Prince Rupert Regiment MG
One of the rarest Canadian WW2 badges. Sought after, but seldom seen. There are many copies of this badge around, varying in quality, but the illustrated example is an authentic badge.
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Yes identical to the o e in my collection Bill, Nice badge.
Ray C |
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Yes... I've been looking for one of these for a long time... thanks for posting
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A Rare bird! Nice to see an original for a change!
Thanks for sharing. Cheers, Adam |
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Bill Ellis
Hi Bill, What are the unique indications that would show this badge as a correct piece?
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I was wondering if anyone has a resin version of this badge. I saw one at the last MCC of C show. The back looked like the Garrison Battalion and ICPB badges. The ones I saw were not for sale as they were too "rare". A collector (who I trust) poo-pooed them and all resin Garrison Battalion badges based on new research that has yet to be published. Does anyone else know anything about this issue?
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Buy the books!!.....In the case of Canadian badges, there are several authors who would "poo-poo" your trusted collector hehehe! Mazeas,Brooker,Cross,Stewart and British authors Kipling and King. I tend to lean toward those who are willing to put their experience in print and sign their name to it.
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Prince Rupert MG Insignia
Hi guys, been away for awhile and focused on work. I thought I post my Prince Rupert Machine Gun badge for all to see. It's marked Birks on the back and comes from an old collection. My question is this. Mazeas shows crossed Machine Guns as the collars. Are these in bronze, brass or silver? Was a fabric shoulder title ever used? I've heard rumours that this badge is actually a officers badge, the ORs wearing General Service badges. Is this true?
Cheers, Greg Last edited by GregN; 13-05-08 at 04:11 PM. |
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Hello Greg, The Prince Rupert Regiment badge has been discussed in other threads, this one having some more relevant information.
http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...=prince+rupert I have also heard the rumour that the badge was for officer's, but I can not confirm that assertion. The number of badges around would tend to support that contention. The only know cloth title is the slip-on illustrated in the other thread. |
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Here is mine , You can see the big R on the back side on the MG barrel. No fasteners for overlay Seems to be silver soldered. Front side seems to be coloured & not just raw copper, maybe a baked paint or something , Many of the badges were like this the FGH for example. Ray
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Prince Rupert Regiment (MG) Collars
The authorised collar badges were published in GENERAL ORDERS when the cap badge was authorised (I have a copy of the entry which I will post later.) as smaller sizes of the cap badge. There was a photograph on the Service Publications web site (http://www.servicepub.com/prince-rupert-offr.html) that showed an officer in service dress wearing a field service cap. He is wearing First War medals, Prince Rupert cap badge(?) and the crossed machine gun collars. According to General Orders these were not the regulation collar badges, however, keep in mind that the Prince Rupert Regiment was designated RESERVE. Remember - there is what was authorised and what was actually worn. Mazeas also shows the MG/CANADA as the shoulder titles. I obtained one of these in a lot of First War Canadian Machine Gun Corps badges and I still see them occasionally...too often for me to believe that they are strictly Prince Rupert shoulders.
GO 246/June 1943 BADGES-PRINCE RUPERT REGIMENT (M.G.) 1. Badges as described hereunder are hereby authorized for the Prince Rupert Regiment (M.G.). 2. Officers: Cap Badge Crossed machine guns and scroll with regimental title in white metal; Maple leaf in bronze Superimposed upon a maple leaf, crossed machine guns and below a scroll inscribed “PRINCE RUPERT REGT. (M.G.)”. Extreme height .. .. .. 1 5/8 inches Extreme width .. .. .. 1 5/8 inches Collar Badge As for cap badge. Extreme height .. .. .. 1 1/8 inches Extreme width .. .. .. 1 1/8 inches 3. Other Ranks. Badges of the same design, dimensions and metals as for officers. (Effective 24th May, 1943.) As always, I invite any thoughts. Last edited by Phillip Herring; 14-05-08 at 05:04 PM. Reason: Adding General Order. |
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Have you seen one???
Over the years I have seen at least 6 different "Prince Rupert Regiment MG" cap badges. It seems to me that if there were twice as many 1/2 inch smaller collars floating around,someone would have seen at least one, unless, the cap and collars were the same size (which did occur in other badge issues, with some frequency).
Last edited by bgpipes; 13-05-08 at 08:29 PM. Reason: clarification |
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During the 1939-45 War, Canadian troops wore battledress - without collar badges. Officers and RSMs wore service dress with collar badges, hence, for wartime units such as 1 Can Para, VIII Recce, Sherbrooke Fusilier Regiment and ...Prince Rupert Regiment, only the officers would have been authorised to wear the collar badges and their scarcity reflects this.
The Prince Rupert Regiment is an odd unit as it was strictly wartime and a Reserve unit - I doubt that it was ever at full battalion strength. The capbadges were authorised in 1943, and I believe the unit was not in existence for very long - 1944 or 1945. It makes sense that the cap badges are scarce and the collar badges possibly never even manufactured. The slip-on shoulder titles were part of a batch of about a half dozen that were obtained by an experienced collector in Montreal. Their provenance is that they were part of a collection of cloth flashes that included some sealed patterns. They came through a lady who had worked in a factory making flashes during the war. I had never seen these flashes previously and I would guess that they were never actually issued to the regiment. |
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