British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

Recent Books by Forum Members

   

Go Back   British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum > British Military Insignia > Airborne, Elite and Special Forces Insignia

 Other Pages: Galleries, Links etc.
Glossary  Books by Forum Members     Canadian Pre 1914    CEF    CEF Badge Inscriptions   Canadian post 1920     Canadian post 1953     British Cavalry Badges     Makers' Marks    Pipers' Badges  Canadian Cloth Titles  Books  SEARCH
 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 15-02-21, 02:54 PM
Monty Cassino Monty Cassino is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 87
Default More dodgy auction listings..

Did anyone watch/view the Bristol auction rooms today....again what looks like some awful stuff........this sold for over £600.....
Attached Images
File Type: jpg ddcfa552-23c0-4d9b-bc51-acbe00bae7eb.jpg (34.2 KB, 124 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 15-02-21, 03:36 PM
Wooffy's Avatar
Wooffy Wooffy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: North West Of England
Posts: 616
Default

....I am sure I have seen this listed previously (recently) somewhere else prior to this latest sale.

Edit: Not the same one - but in my opinion, one that is from the same stable of manufacture! (Link here)

Image of this lot appended to this posting
Attached Images
File Type: jpg SAS.jpg (70.8 KB, 51 views)
__________________
__________________________________________________ ______
Always looking for Observer Corps & Royal Observer Corps Items.
My Current 'Wants List' can be found here

Last edited by Wooffy; 15-02-21 at 03:44 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 15-02-21, 03:48 PM
Wooffy's Avatar
Wooffy Wooffy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: North West Of England
Posts: 616
Default

Some of the ones in the OP look to be identical to ones in this lot of 'fine' specimens too!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg SAS V2.jpg (61.1 KB, 45 views)
__________________
__________________________________________________ ______
Always looking for Observer Corps & Royal Observer Corps Items.
My Current 'Wants List' can be found here
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 15-02-21, 04:05 PM
mike_vee's Avatar
mike_vee mike_vee is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Uxbridge
Posts: 4,892
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wooffy View Post
....I am sure I have seen this listed previously (recently) somewhere else prior to this latest sale.

The "secret" ones were in a post a couple of weeks ago.

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ghlight=secret

.
__________________
British Legion/Royal British Legion , Poppy/Remembrance/Commemorative.

Poppy and British Legion Wanted

Last edited by mike_vee; 15-02-21 at 04:21 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 15-02-21, 04:33 PM
grenadierguardsman's Avatar
grenadierguardsman grenadierguardsman is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 3,901
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wooffy View Post
Some of the ones in the OP look to be identical to ones in this lot of 'fine' specimens too!
Are these original ?
Andy
__________________
Leave to carry on Sir please.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 15-02-21, 06:23 PM
Wooffy's Avatar
Wooffy Wooffy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: North West Of England
Posts: 616
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by grenadierguardsman View Post
Are these original ?
Andy
I have zero knowledge of special forces items from anywhere (not my field) but I wouldn't want to add any of these to my collection if i collected SF items.
__________________
__________________________________________________ ______
Always looking for Observer Corps & Royal Observer Corps Items.
My Current 'Wants List' can be found here
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 16-02-21, 12:20 PM
seanhath's Avatar
seanhath seanhath is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Kent
Posts: 309
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by grenadierguardsman View Post
Are these original ?
Andy
Pretty sure they're not mate.

£600 is a huge blow for any collector.

This compounds my desire to see something done about auction houses who knowingly sell fake items (Or at least 'Auction houses who are able to cast ambiguity upon a fake item to give the impression that it is real - also affording them plausible deniability when sticky fingers are pointed.)
It is criminal activity.
__________________
Quis Separabit
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 16-02-21, 01:02 PM
grenadierguardsman's Avatar
grenadierguardsman grenadierguardsman is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 3,901
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by seanhath View Post
Pretty sure they're not mate.

£600 is a huge blow for any collector.

This compounds my desire to see something done about auction houses who knowingly sell fake items (Or at least 'Auction houses who are able to cast ambiguity upon a fake item to give the impression that it is real - also affording them plausible deniability when sticky fingers are pointed.)
It is criminal activity.
Shocking mate, £600.
Andy
__________________
Leave to carry on Sir please.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 16-02-21, 05:05 PM
MH331 MH331 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 2,181
Default

I get the outrage about Auction Houses that are conservative with their description or don’t do due diligence but frankly it’s a 50 50 transaction somewhere out there are bidders not prepared to do research, invest in books or indeed join online forums. We all get caught out occasionally but some of these copies are well documented and in the C21 there is so much more research material available to the potential bidder that I am pressed to have much if any sympathy. If people keep bidding for cr*p then less reputable auction houses will take consignments from the crooks peddling this stuff.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 16-02-21, 05:19 PM
seanhath's Avatar
seanhath seanhath is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Kent
Posts: 309
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MH331 View Post
I get the outrage about Auction Houses that are conservative with their description or don’t do due diligence but frankly it’s a 50 50 transaction somewhere out there are bidders not prepared to do research, invest in books or indeed join online forums. We all get caught out occasionally but some of these copies are well documented and in the C21 there is so much more research material available to the potential bidder that I am pressed to have much if any sympathy. If people keep bidding for cr*p then less reputable auction houses will take consignments from the crooks peddling this stuff.
Equally - if auction houses had more integrity they wouldn't consider listing rubbish. The responsibility is theirs to list items accurately, and 'weed out' fakes.
Your point is akin to 'victim blaming'.

If an auction house list something as 'LRDG Pith helmet' for instance, and the auction house know the item is fake - how can that be the buyers fault?
It is not 'conservative' to list a fake item and add 'type' to the description. Its fraud. The buyer isn't trying to deceive anyone - the vendor and the auction house are. Transactions are 50/50 - but the blame in this instance is not.
__________________
Quis Separabit

Last edited by seanhath; 16-02-21 at 05:22 PM. Reason: typo
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 16-02-21, 06:26 PM
MH331 MH331 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 2,181
Default

No one is forced to bid.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 16-02-21, 07:15 PM
manchesters's Avatar
manchesters manchesters is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Lancashire
Posts: 7,572
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MH331 View Post
I get the outrage about Auction Houses that are conservative with their description or don’t do due diligence but frankly it’s a 50 50 transaction somewhere out there are bidders not prepared to do research, invest in books or indeed join online forums. We all get caught out occasionally but some of these copies are well documented and in the C21 there is so much more research material available to the potential bidder that I am pressed to have much if any sympathy. If people keep bidding for cr*p then less reputable auction houses will take consignments from the crooks peddling this stuff.
I agree. Buyer beware.. If in doubt, dont bid.

regards
__________________
Simon Butterworth

Manchester Regiment Collector
Rank, Prize & Trade Badges
British & Commonwealth Artillery Badges
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 16-02-21, 08:08 PM
JerryBB's Avatar
JerryBB JerryBB is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Wales
Posts: 5,025
Unhappy

The collection of sas badges are the same as regularly sold by one of our favourite ebay sellers from near stanstead and are not genuine
__________________
Regards,

Jerry
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 16-02-21, 08:10 PM
grenadierguardsman's Avatar
grenadierguardsman grenadierguardsman is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 3,901
Default

Were the SAS badges on the Top Secret headed paper fake also ?
Andy
__________________
Leave to carry on Sir please.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 19-02-21, 08:49 PM
JerryBB's Avatar
JerryBB JerryBB is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Wales
Posts: 5,025
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by grenadierguardsman View Post
Were the SAS badges on the Top Secret headed paper fake also ?
Andy
Yes, all the same fakes
__________________
Regards,

Jerry
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

mhs link

All times are GMT. The time now is 11:13 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.