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Old 04-02-13, 08:05 PM
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A bit of time to spare,so i went for a dig.Had a look at some old auction lot archives,trying to find various badge prices etc.I managed to unearth the following:-

St Lawrence College CCF anodised in one lot,i know this was on the fantasy list but there was no concrete evidence regards it.

Stamford School CCF anodised in another lot,this shocked me as it hadnt ever been mentioned as a possible anodised badge
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Old 04-02-13, 09:11 PM
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Mike,

The Stamford school CCF badge was definitely made in anodised form. It replaced the brass version in the early 1970's and was worn upto about 1979 when we adopted the Royal Anglian badge.
The anodised badge was an awful plated monkey metal brittle thing which very quickly lost its gold colour and broke very easily, particularly if somebody tried to copy a brass one nicely shaped to the beret!

A figure of 30 pence each rings a bell.
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Old 04-02-13, 09:28 PM
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There are examples of both in an anodised type metal, but not anodised aluminuim!

An easy mistake to make for an autioneer who cannot tell his Harris from his Elgar!

Andy
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Old 05-02-13, 12:10 AM
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Mike,

There are plenty of ACF/CCF badges out there which look like A/A but are of a similar looking material. I'm not sure what it is but believe me it is most certainly not A/A.

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Old 05-02-13, 12:13 AM
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Mike,

The Stamford school CCF badge was definitely made in anodised form. It replaced the brass version in the early 1970's and was worn upto about 1979 when we adopted the Royal Anglian badge.
The anodised badge was an awful plated monkey metal brittle thing which very quickly lost its gold colour and broke very easily, particularly if somebody tried to copy a brass one nicely shaped to the beret!

A figure of 30 pence each rings a bell.
Hi PJT,

If it was A/A then it most certainly not have lost its colouring. When the colour dye seeps into the pores of the aluminium anodic crust and the badge is boiled in distilled water the pores close locking the colour dye it.

I think what you are describing here is a similar metal to A/A commonly used in the creation of many ACF/CCF badges.

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Chris

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Old 05-02-13, 03:13 AM
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Wellingtom School in Somerset have also bought their cadets a school badge in anodised metal. Very 'tinsley' and not aluminium.
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Old 05-02-13, 01:42 PM
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Chris,

Anodised badges are not my thing to be honest – I responded to Mike’s post as an ex Stamfordian familiar with a non brass version of the badge.

I might be wrong to describe the Stamford badge as being “anodised” (I didn’t mention the word aluminium) but I thought the anodised version that Mike was referring to in his original post was the one I remembered and described.

To my knowledge we went straight from the brass version to the version I described and Andy's photo shows.
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Old 05-02-13, 06:45 PM
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Chris,

Anodised badges are not my thing to be honest – I responded to Mike’s post as an ex Stamfordian familiar with a non brass version of the badge.

I might be wrong to describe the Stamford badge as being “anodised” (I didn’t mention the word aluminium) but I thought the anodised version that Mike was referring to in his original post was the one I remembered and described.

To my knowledge we went straight from the brass version to the version I described and Andy's photo shows.
Hi PJT,

A/A badges are pretty much a back water and it wasn't until a couple of years ago that I started to understand them. With ACF and CCF badge it seems that these were all sourced directly by the organisations and schools themselves instead of them coming down through the Army's line of procurement. Although the designs were given the official OK the badge itself, in a number of instances, was not made to official specifications. This came as a shock to me and a few others who noticed 'odd' badges in their own collections.

Often, but not always, these badges had lugs that were made of a different metal type from the badge body and this helped identify those non A/A pieces.

Quite a lot of work was carried out by a number people on the ACF/CCF pieces for, what has to be stated, very little generated output. This included visiting and handling very extensive collections of ACF/CCF badges with the conclusion that many ACF/CCF pieces that were though to originally be A/A were in fact not. Bit of a shock to the owners of such items!!

Such is collecting...

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Chris
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Old 05-02-13, 06:57 PM
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There are examples of both in an anodised type metal, but not anodised aluminuim!

An easy mistake to make for an autioneer who cannot tell his Harris from his Elgar!

Andy
You mean similar to the anodised 5/6th Staffords badge ?
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Old 05-02-13, 07:01 PM
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You mean similar to the anodised 5/6th Staffords badge ?
Hi Mike,

The one I handled was, in all probability, plated zink made by the closed casting process.

Also, following official documentation on this item, I would advise all collectors of A/A badges to give this particular piece a very wide berth.

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Chris
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Old 05-02-13, 07:08 PM
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Chris,

I've learnt more about A/A badges in the last 24 hours than I have in all the previous years of collecting.

Interesting stuff and much appreciated.
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