HOWE Battalion RND - Page 2 - British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

Phil2M · #16 07-08-13, 08:06 PM

The classic fake!

sadler32 · #17 08-08-13, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GriffMJ

Just a thought.... is it a collar? Short "D" loops..... what are the dimensions compared to the longer "O" looped cap badge (with the Gaunt tablet)? Is it a bit smaller in size?

Griff

Gaunt did make the officers collar badges a smaller version than the cap badge. These were made in bronze and cast like the officers cap badge, not die struck like the O/R cap badge.

Cofion gorau

Goggs

Alan O · #18 08-08-13, 09:34 AM

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...7&d=1241770389

This is a voided fake for comparison. This one even had a fake tablet.

Nozzer · #19 08-08-13, 06:19 PM

The measurements of my badge are 41mm across (tips of crown) and 33mm down (top of crown to bottom of scroll)

Alan, what marks the badge you have shown as a fake? Not that I doubt you, it would be useful to know.

Andy

Alan O · #20 08-08-13, 06:35 PM

The lugs were brand new, the tablet was wrong and the braize was very badly done.

Nozzer · #21 08-08-13, 07:39 PM

Thank you Alan, I have found your original post showing your badge. It is hard to tell from the pictures, but a badge in the hand as they say.......

Regards,

Andy

Alan O · #22 17-10-13, 08:33 AM

This is my latest find and is altogether a superb badge. It was a speculative ebay purchase for £21 as there was no rear picture but when I opened the envelope there a a Gaunt plaque, correct piercing and lettering and good period toning as the auctioneers would say.

sadler32 · #23 17-10-13, 08:00 PM

A good one there Alan and at a reasonable price. Just goes to show sometimes it pays to speculate.

Goggs

Alan O · #24 18-10-13, 01:56 PM

I was very pleased with it but now the Hawke, Anson and Hood to find to complete the set.

Sonofacqms · #25 19-10-13, 11:39 AM

I'm sure I have mentioned this before, but IMO there were more than one manufacturer of RND badges. Gaunt made the first batches in 1916 and after that others may well have been contracted due to demand.

Rob

Alan O · #26 19-10-13, 06:26 PM

Rob,

Highly likely but the problem is always going to be to work out which are genuine makers' variations and which are old copies. It's easy to spot the modern repros as they are still being churned out but the very old ones are much harder.

Alan O · #27 19-10-13, 06:29 PM

This one is not right:

But it does look rather similar to a Hugh King owned badge (but lugged) sold by Bosleys last year and at least one other owned by a forum member with 1960's provenance.

Sonofacqms · #28 19-10-13, 08:29 PM

Alan, when in your opinion were the RND badges first faked?

I can remember back in the early sixties when these badges were like the proverbial "Hen's teeth", they turned up now and again on W. Tobin's lists and were horrendously expensive in those days, 30/- each (£1.50) which was a lot of money in those days.

I could not afford to buy any in those days and what collectors today must remember is that many of the veterans of WWI were still around and probably still had their badges along with their medals.

Rob

Alan O · #29 19-10-13, 08:32 PM

No idea as to when they were first faked but I suspect they were the first to be so.

Paddy · #30 19-10-13, 08:40 PM

Alan

I don't think that Nelson badge is the unmarked one with 1960s provenance, I believe it is the smaller version that has been discussed on here a few times, whether it was actually worn is open for debate even though it is pictured in at least 1 reference book. I've pictured the 3 versions I have, left hand one is Gaunt marked, middle one is unmarked but I like it more than I dislike it so I keep hold of it and the right hand one is the small slider version.

Paddy