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#16
15-11-10, 03:28 PM
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Hello Bryan
It was written that we must 'meet' one day ! I do own the complementary set of your badges !!! that is : - the RNR civil branch in gold, and - the RNV executive with gold+silver devices the two with red rubis (yes !) > your RNV civil seems to show a blue saphir while limited to 1918 ?!?!§? even 1915 if you think that it was designed for an engineer ! (I never seen mention of coloured background for specialists cap badges - except ENGINE ROOM ARTIFICER : CPO badge on purple b/g indeed but with tendancy more red than blue ...) a+
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#17
15-11-10, 06:18 PM
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WOW!
 The RNR example is BEAUTIFUL!!! Never seen one in that nice condition!If they get to the point where they are cluttering up yr collection I'll take them off yr hands Alco!  I dont have the CPO/PO ERA examples & would certainly like them. Hello Bryan It was written that we must 'meet' one day ! [I]"] I'm in mate, would love to meet you & view yr collection - wife has always wanted to visit France! Where are you? - PM me thoI] Last edited by RCN; 15-11-10 at 06:39 PM.
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#18
15-11-10, 06:20 PM
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You have the same booklet as I do Alco - "Rank at a Glance" - printed circa 1915.
I would really like that white Bandsman/Musicain badge as well as I have a very nice Great War Bandmaster casualty group & it would go nicely with the display, Bryan Last edited by RCN; 15-11-10 at 06:38 PM.
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#19
15-11-10, 06:37 PM
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Purple is made from Red & Blue - so its going to go either way with time! I agree, my RNV example has gone more towards blue than red. Engineering was the only branch to have the distinctive background on the cap badges. Be a real challenge for us today to obtain all of the colours had all the civil branches had their own distinctive cap badges!!! Its hard enough to obtain Engineering !! Bryan
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#20
15-11-10, 10:56 PM
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Halte là !!!
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The collection is into a very large safe defended with barbed wire and sharpshooter posted ... and every night changing location ...  On ne passe pas !
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#21
15-11-10, 11:18 PM
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You're right, the RN badges full set do have sufficient diversity ! I am trying to produce a table presenting the whole collection in order to detect the missing items  This table will present small pics or sketches of all different badges with services in lines + epoch in columns => 6 pages already and not finished !!! To be continued ... On other hand, I am seeking for italian navy badges (Regia Marina) and in this case each specialist branch do have a different b/g colour and surcharged anchor - not finished either ... (same for spanish navy and not to mention austrian navy practically untraceable ...) a+
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#22
16-11-10, 01:36 PM
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Somewhere, sometime you will come across a badge you never knew or heard of before! Take yr NAV & NNV cap badges - I did not know they existed, but you have them! so the search continues & continues & continues ................ Bryan
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#23
20-11-10, 11:37 AM
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Engineer's colour
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As said elsewhere, we can't invent in the uniform domain but only find and examine the appropriate documentation - at first level of which are the official regulations. Within my reach, I have only the 1937 uniform regulation for officers (H.M.Stationery Office) - and there is no mention of coloured b/g on badges even for engineers. The badge description (3 lines only !) is absolutely common for all officers. The only distinction marks of branch for non-executive officers are the well-known coloured cloth between the rows of lace. In this case, indeed, the colour for engineer is PURPLE. As the regulation has no colour plates, I give one from the Talbot-Booth booklet Rank & Badges 1941 => R&B 1941-0007.jpg > Does anybody have in reach an older regulations to localize this coloured b/g for engineer officer cap badge ? .../...
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#24
20-11-10, 11:58 AM
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Next problem ...
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the next problem is that re-reading the above mentionned booklet, I re-discovered the plate for CPO / PO cap badges => R&B 1941-0011.jpg Surprise !  there is a dedicated badge for ENGINEER PO !! seems to have a faded purple/blue b/g with a GOLD anchor ? the printed 'purple/blue' is not so bright as the RANK AT A GLANCE (1916) version => Glance0037.jpg I can't find no word of this in MAY's - except the abolition of 'purple' b/g for ERA (p.108 : in 1918 the gold and silver badge was adopted by all branches) > does anybody have an official regulation to confirm this particularity for engineer PO ? ... / ...
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#25
20-11-10, 12:03 PM
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Last but not least ...
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to end the file, I have for long in my image bank a terrific example of BLUE b/g on CPO badge (before 1920) => 518_2.jpg not in my drawer, unfortunately  a+
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#26
01-12-10, 07:19 PM
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Hi All
Further to this thread you guys have had going, can anyone tell me when the cap badges with the RNR & RNV lettering above the anchor were introduced? I seem to remember seeing ratings badges with these as well but I'm not sure if my memory is playing tricks on me. Cheers, Alex
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#27
01-12-10, 07:30 PM
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RNVR was establishd in 1903, the RNR was in existance in Victorian times, not certain of establishment date tho have to look that one up.
Alco may know tho as he has a nice VR RNR cap badge that I envy very very much!!! Bryan
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#28
01-12-10, 07:37 PM
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Got it -
15 Oct 1872 ----- "A new cap badge for the RNR was introduced, being the same as that of the RN but with the letters of the RNR between the crown and the anchor, and with the anchor & initials encircled by a gold ring" & The RNAV was instituted in 1873 ... "the cap badge was to have the letters RN on one side of the anchor and AV on the other.." Bryan
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#30
01-12-10, 10:39 PM
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Hi,
I do confirm the dates given by Bryan ; = about the badges, remember the date of the very first CAP BADGE (in the world !) for Royal Navy officers : 1846 (victorian crown alone) = immediatly followed by the 1856 pattern (with crown, anchor and LAUREL wraith - not oak as seen elsewhere ! ) = for RNR, the corps was created in 1859 but the 1st badge is dated 1864 UK_RNR 1864.jpg = RNR second pattern is 1872 - change of crown in 1901 - abolished in 1921 *. UK_RNR 1891.jpg and unfortunately, I do not own such a badge ! I have only a standard RN 1870-1891 genuine item sonar.gif ... and nobody may access the 2NM interdiction zone ... = for RNVR, the dates for lettered badge 'RNV' are 1903 to 1921 *. UK_RNVcb 1918.jpg = to note : all these badges had existed in two versions : - silver anchor and parts of crown for executive branch * gold anchor and crown for civil branches - these gold version for RNR & RNVR were discarded in 1918 ! = note 2 : lettered 'RNR' badges for CPO have existed - but never seen a 'RNV' CPO ? Anyway, remember that CPO badges before 1920 had no wraith ! If somebody does not integrate my laborious description, a new chance to understand the evolution of the navy badge will be given when my time table will be completed ... Good luck now to find these absolute rarities .... The last seen were sold at more than 200GBP a+
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