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Lt.Col.H.F.G. Letson and Canadian Rifle Team - Bisley,1934
City of Vancouver Archives,AM54-S4-: LP 313
A group of officers, NCOs and ORs showing a nice array of cap badges.
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Governor General's Foot Guards; The Royal Canadian Regiment; Canadian Machine Gun Corps; Queen's Own Rifles of Canada; Royal Canadian Artillery; Three Rivers Regiment; The Grenville Regiment (Lisgar Rifles), from Kemptville, Ontario. No, I've never heard of it, either; Royal Winnipeg Rifles; 48th Highlanders of Canada; Royal Hamilton Light Infantry; Royal Canadian Air Force; Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment) of Canada, or not, there were many regiments with the cross of St. Andrew as a cap badge; Gentleman Cadet of the Royal Military College; and One officer whose cap badge I cannot identify. It's similar to the Canadian Provost Corps, but isn't. It's the officer, last on the left, in the front row. Finally, one would think it easy to determine the names of the members of the Canadian 1934 Bisley Team. Ha! Not even the Bisley or DCRA websites have it. It's possibly on archived Winnipeg and Ottawa newspapers, but they want my credit card info for a "free" trial. Where are all the forum members with their strong google-fu? Cheers, Dan. |
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First seated officer on the left is Cadet Services of Canada Instructor Cadre, but perhaps someone will ccome up with a better answer.As for the last NCO in the last row,I will go for Black Watch. A similar cap badge was the P.E.I.Highlanders and the Lanark and Renfrew Scottish Regt but, I still will go for Black Watch.
Jo
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Lieutenant Colonel Letson is wearing the cap badge of The British Columbia Regiment, not UBC COTC.
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From The Globe, Toronto, Wednesday, May 2. 1934
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That's great information Blackadder.I greatly appreciate your help in identifying those members of the 1934 team. One question....what made you think to look for the Globe newspaper item ???? Again, Many Thanks. Jo
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Awesome find. (The google-fu is strong in you.)
The article doesn't mention an RMC cadet, but there could be dozens of reasons for him to be there. Relative of someone in the photo? Thanks for the help. Cheers, Dan. |
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Since the subject of the thread is MGen Letson and a shooting team, then it may be appropriate to add the following:
From CFAO 50-15 Quote:
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Thanks, Dan. |
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In the June 1937 issue of the Review (his graduation year) this was the entry for Mr. Mcleod. Quote:
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Cheers, Dan. |
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The 20-man Canadian team at Bisley in 1934 did very, very well. They won both the Kolapore and Mackinnon Cups, as well as having the Gold Cross Aggregate winner.
The Aggregate winner was PJ Martinson of the Three Rivers Regiment. The Globe and Mail article identifies him as a private, although in the photo he's clearly wearing sergeants stripes. The Kolapore Cup was for the highest scoring eight-man team from the Empire. The Canadian team's captain was Captain Bishop, the adjutant was Lt Col Utton and the coach was Lt Col Letson. The team shooters were Sergeant Borland, Private Martinson, Lieutenant Dow, CSM Emslie, Lieutenant McLeod, Captain Lucas, Corporal Beaumont and Lieutenant Sweet. The Mackinnon Cup was for the best twelve-man team, again from the Empire. The team captain was Captain Bishop, the adjutant was Lieutenant Johnson, and the coaches were Lt Col Letson and Sergeant Stock. The team shooters were Sergeant McLeod, Private Martinson, Lieutenant Dow, SMI Trainor, Corporal Beaumont, Sergeant Borland, Captain Lucas, Lieutenant Sweet, Private Hamilton, CSM Emslie, CQMS Parnell and Lt Col Utton. Cheers, Dan. |
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Thanks for the info.
Jo
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Canadian Rifle Team - Bisley, 1935
I know its the year after, but I found a photo of the 1935 Canadian team for Bisley. My Great-Grandfather was Lieut. A. P. Williams.
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The 1936 Militia List (December) has two A.P. Williams, both Majors by then. One in Kamloops and one in Ottawa. Both had seen Great War service. Dan. PS: Is there any way for you to scan that photo of the team? |
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