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Old 02-10-21, 11:23 AM
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As a total noob to the world of cap badges, I got well and truly done over on ebay and one particular seller in general but as far as I am aware ebay are against fake and counterfeit goods being sold and I have used this in the past to get refunded so I am putting most up for a return as fakes to see where it will go, luckily the seller has refunded for some of the badges he sold to me so that will be a partial acceptance on his part that he accepts the badges are bad.
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Old 02-10-21, 11:39 AM
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As a total noob to the world of cap badges, I got well and truly done over on ebay and one particular seller in general but as far as I am aware ebay are against fake and counterfeit goods being sold and I have used this in the past to get refunded so I am putting most up for a return as fakes to see where it will go, luckily the seller has refunded for some of the badges he sold to me so that will be a partial acceptance on his part that he accepts the badges are bad.
This is getting tiring.

The sale of reproduction cap badges is not illegal.

The seller did not advertise any of their items as original.

They state clearly in all their descriptions in BOLD capitals:

PLEASE BE FULLY AWARE THAT I AM NOT A DEALER OR A COLLECTOR OF CAP BADGES AND I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE SUBJECT, THE ITEMS LISTED ARE FROM MY LATE FATHERS COLLECTION AND I NEED TO FIND NEW HOMES FOR THEM ALL, THEREFORE WHAT YOU SEE IN THE PHOTO'S IS THE EXACT ITEM AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU WILL RECIEVE

OBVIOUSLY IN A USED CONDITION AND REMAINS PRESENTABLE AS SEEN


You have made assumptions or thought you knew when you did not. I genuinely do sympathise with that but you cannot blame the seller publicly, call them a bad seller and insinuate they’ve done you over. Frankly you have done yourself over.

I could understand a degree of ache if this was a business seller pumping out new badges claiming they’re dad’s collection but this does genuinely seem to be what he says.

Unfortunately as is the case with most collections assembled post-1970s there are a lot of fakes but also a few nice pieces.
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Old 02-10-21, 11:49 AM
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I am afraid that ebay is awash with fakes and the few genuine items on ebay are either very expensive or often sniped by dealers who then sell them on their own websites. It's a minefield.
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Old 02-10-21, 12:10 PM
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Although my main collecting area is British Legion I have learned a lot since joining the forum which , I personally think , applies to any new collector.

1. Start small , rather than buying a lot of badges for different regiments/wars decide on one and move on when you have a bit more confidence in spotting fakes/repros.

2. Do a bit of research (plenty of posts/threads on here) on the specific badges you are after.

3. Carefully read the seller's descriptions ! If it states the item is genuine at least you have comeback if it turns out not to be. Some sellers won't use the phrases fake/restrike/repro in their main heading , this may only appear in the 'small print' description lower on the page.

4. When you decide on a specific area to collect check with forum members if there are any specialist books/articles relating to that area.

5. As I have found out , information on the internet is not always correct but there are members here who have a vast pool of knowledge/information.

While doing some research I found a quote which I feel applies to collectors :

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Old 02-10-21, 12:40 PM
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Ebay is, in my opinion, not the place for any novice to be be without taking advice first regarding the item being sold and the seller actually selling it.


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As a total noob to the world of cap badges, I got well and truly done over on ebay and one particular seller in general but as far as I am aware ebay are against fake and counterfeit goods being sold and I have used this in the past to get refunded so I am putting most up for a return as fakes to see where it will go, luckily the seller has refunded for some of the badges he sold to me so that will be a partial acceptance on his part that he accepts the badges are bad.
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Old 02-10-21, 12:45 PM
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SORRY GUYS FOR IT BEING TIRING ETC
but the news is all the ones i put forward to ebay for refunds as being fakes are being refunded, i guess it is all down to knowing what your buying rights are concerning things like this
time to start again on the right foot
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Old 02-10-21, 12:50 PM
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i would suggest luke h that you read the ebay terms and conditions rather than the pathetic reasons for sale and then you will get to know what your buying rights are, anything fake or counterfeit is a big ebay no no, whatever it is that is being sold , it is all there in the t and c's
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Old 02-10-21, 01:17 PM
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I have some magic beans for sale but I may keep them to use as ear plugs to combat the high pitched whining I keep hearing when I open certain threads on the forum.
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Old 02-10-21, 01:28 PM
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sorry if I have offended in any way but I would think the ability to get refunded for buying fake goods of any calibre would be good news to anyone so disadvantaged to be in that situation, badges, coins, stamps, antiques it's all the same thing, i may be a rookie on the subject of British cap badges but after 30 years of metal detecting I do know my stuff on many historical subjects and have had good finds placed in museums, so I look at it as swings and roundabouts, its all there to learn,
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Old 02-10-21, 02:42 PM
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i would suggest luke h that you read the ebay terms and conditions rather than the pathetic reasons for sale and then you will get to know what your buying rights are, anything fake or counterfeit is a big ebay no no, whatever it is that is being sold , it is all there in the t and c's
I meant your bashing of the seller is tiring.

On 3 threads now you’ve blamed or been rude to them and I cannot see he’s done anything wrong or even untoward.

The line between a fake and reproduction depends a lot on the intent of the seller.

All those badges are in literal sense reproductions. We use the term fake on here to differentiate between original and repro dies. If they’re being sold as originals then you can use the noun ‘fake’.

Type in ‘Van Gogh copy’ on eBay. The many paintings that appear, are these counterfeits and fakes or honest reproductions? I’d suggest if the former eBay need to be reported to Trading Standards for flagrantly breaching their own rules.

Indeed if you search ‘reproduction’ on eBay you get +770,000 results.

I honestly sympathise with your position, we’ve all been there as collectors to some extent. The best thing to do is put this down to experience, regroup and come back better. Good luck with your returns.
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Old 02-10-21, 02:54 PM
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thank you all .
i think now that that side of things are being resolved and having learnt quite a few lessons it is time to move on and try to find items that would be a pleasure to own, this forum is a great resource
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