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Old 10-05-09, 05:15 PM
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Here are some pics of an RND Hood Bn cap badge I recently purchased. Shortly after the auction ended I got a mysterious e-mail telling me this was a fake and that the person knew me from the badge forum (their e-bay user name is not on the members list and they didn't respond when I asked for their BBF user name. My e-bay name is not the same as my BBF name, though my avatar is...).

Anyway, it got me thinking and now I'm not sure where I stand with this badge. One thing I know I can count on with this group is no holds barred - so give it to me straight!

Thanks, Ian.
Ian I have an identical Hood badge but with no plaque. I do not agree with Peter that it is a collar as it is biger then JP's one. As to authenticity - well who knows with single metal abdges; the strike is near perfect, the patina fine and I am sure a dealer would charge me the earth for it. I am afraid the level of faking of RND badges is the same as SF badges which is why I avoid them as well. That and the fact that the SF collecting community seems to attract an above average number of 'Walts' who try and revel in the reflected glory and pay ridiculous prices for even mundane/common/fake items!

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Old 11-05-09, 07:38 PM
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Default ROYAL NAVAL DIVISION - ANSON AND NELSON

Could anyone shed any light on the following. Both badges appear to be bronze with a pin fitting to the rear. I was wondering if they are genuine, and if so, why bronze and why the pin fitting?

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Old 11-05-09, 08:22 PM
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As you suggested a Gaunt plaque thread I have attached pictures of the Gaunt plaques on all 6 of my RND badges, apologies for the quality of pics but I think you should be able to see most of what is required. The Drake, Howe, Anson & Hood badges all have plaques that are 8.2mm wide by 3.6mm high. The Hawke badge plaque is 8.3mm by 3.5mm and the Nelson badge plaque is 8.4mm by 3.6mm. The lettering of all 6 plaques is approx 1mm high. Compared to the badge that started this thread the plaques on my badges appear pretty crude compared to the more clinical stamping of the plaque on that Hood badge.

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Old 20-07-09, 09:26 PM
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Hi there,

I run the Empire to Commonwealth Project and at here I can tell you that they look real to me .... BUT that I'm not the expert here by a long chalk!
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Old 21-07-09, 03:45 AM
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Hi Andy,

I have several CEF badges with identical brooch fittings. These fittings were most likely added to replace broken lugs and I think the style is fairly contemporary to the badges - that is, added during or shortly after the war. In my opinion they are a good indication of original badges (or else fakers have gotten so cunning they now add fake repairs to fake badges...doesn't bear thinking about)

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Old 21-07-09, 01:12 PM
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Andy,

They are probably sweetheart badges whereby the original badge was converted to a pin attachment and given to a soldier's/officer's sweetheart during the war. They look right to me but someone with a sound knowledge of whether RND officers' badges were produced in bronze would have a better opinion.

Note: What was originally thought to be a fake Nelson badge has now been recognised as a variation by another maker but I can't remember if this version is it.

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Old 21-07-09, 06:47 PM
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Guys, many thanks for your comments. I was thinking that they may be officers badges, but many posts relate to RND officers wearing bronze RN officers cap badges. The above badges appear to be bronze and are the same size as RND cap badges but without the Gaunt plaque.
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Old 21-07-09, 07:02 PM
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The British officer's badges I have seen, although bronze, are generally cast and quite heavy, with tangs instead of lugs or pins. Of course, I've seen enough exceptions to the rules to know one can't make sweeping general statements on badges! A good example of this is that RND badges must have Gaunt plates - of my four RND badges only one has a Gaunt plate, two more I am quite certain are originals but without maker's marks and the fourth (which has a Gaunt plate but of a less common style) is on my "uncertain" list...
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Old 29-07-09, 08:22 PM
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The Nelson badge looks like the pin and clasp have been added to make a "sweetheart" brooch. The Anson badge looks as though the pin was made as part of the original badge, much in the style of pagri badges. Is the bronze finish just natural patina? Both badges are die struck which is unusual for OSD's. I think that the Gaunt plaque were put on earlier RND badges, the orders for these coming from the admiralty, but I think the ones without plaques were probably ordered later by the various Battalions, probably to the cheapest manufacturer.

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Hi All

These are currnetly on ebay and I am interested in them but would welcome any input, knowing what a dodgy subject they are.TIA.

Cheers Paul
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Old 10-12-10, 05:20 AM
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hi

lug's, "JR GAUNT LONDON " maker mark, , they are god for me
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Old 10-12-10, 05:29 AM
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Hi Paul
I don't know much about these other than they are widely faked. The two things I don't like about them are that the Gaunt plaque on one looks like it has been trimmed to fit, which seems odd to me, and the rear definition on the other isn't good. I would make sure they're genuine before I bid on them. Obviously just an opinion though.
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Old 10-12-10, 05:55 AM
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Alex & JPF
Thanks for your input. I'm leary of the Hood because of the plaque. I question the Hawke for placement of the plaque.

Cheers Paul
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Old 10-12-10, 09:36 AM
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The Hawke is completely wrong, it looks more like a vulture. Gaunt plates these days are completely untrustworthy.
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Old 10-12-10, 09:44 AM
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They have both been faked and taken off other badges to put on fakes. If you want a genuine RND then buy one from Bosleys because 99.99 % of the others are fakes.
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