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Old 22-02-10, 10:08 PM
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Default Makers Mark F&S

I was looking through some badges earlier today. i noticed that Solihull School was marked F&S.
I presume that this is Firmin & Sons but i dont think ive come across it before.
Can anybody throw some light on this ?
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Old 22-02-10, 11:28 PM
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Mike there was a thread posted on F&S yesterday and what you presume is correct Firmin and Son it is.
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Old 23-02-10, 12:28 AM
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Hi Mike,

It is a modern Firmin & Son mark and can be found hidden away on some of the Scottish badges like the Argyll and Sutherlands.

Also it is found twice on the Aberdeen Uni OTC badge and on a lot of the 'new metal' badges.

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Old 23-02-10, 05:46 PM
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Hi there,

Weirdly enough, I also found the "F&S" makers mark on a Silver hallmarked button, which I think is a Police button. See Scans. You can also see that the button is also stamped with the more usual button backmark of "FIRMIN LONDON" and the hallmark has been apllied over the top of this.
I think from the hallmark that it is from Birmingham 1947. The KC also help dates it to pre 1952.
So "F&S" is reasonably recent but still at least 63years old.

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Old 23-02-10, 07:00 PM
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I have a pair of GURKHA ENGINEER collar badges with the small F&S on them.
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Old 24-02-10, 12:27 AM
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The Anchor & Lion donate Birmingham, and the shape of the Z makes it 1949

http://www.theassayoffice.co.uk/date_letters.html
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Old 24-02-10, 06:12 PM
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Cheers Mike,

My memory isn't what it was. I was close but not close enough!

I have bookmarked that site - very useful. Thanks

Cheers

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Old 24-02-10, 10:19 PM
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Default Its pre 1937 at least!

It has to be pre 1937...... Here's the proof!
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Old 25-02-10, 11:54 AM
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I think from the looks of things F&S started life as a Makers Hallmark on Silver Badges!
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Old 25-02-10, 07:02 PM
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I think from the looks of things F&S started life as a Makers Hallmark on Silver Badges!
Certainly does Mike and carried over onto late manufacture A/A badges and the 'new metal' items.

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Old 25-02-10, 11:55 PM
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Just for interest this is the photo of an R.E.M.E. collar badge pre 1947 I posted in the other F&S thread.
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Old 26-02-10, 01:15 PM
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I have only ever seen the shortened F&S mark mainly on Collar Badges, not on Cap Badge sliders which still seems to be mainly FIRMIN or FIRMIN & SONS where it will fit ?
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f & s on silver is usually done by the old stratton makers as shown in the images

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also firmin now own gaunt ,dowler & smith &wright

hope this link helps
you will have to scroll down to firmin

http://www.oldcopper.org/buttons_birmingham.htm
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Just out of interest - QW & CSR officer's cap badge:

F&S 1.jpgF&S 2.jpg

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f & s on silver is usually done by the old stratton makers as shown in the images

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also firmin now own gaunt ,dowler & smith &wright

hope this link helps
you will have to scroll down to firmin

http://www.oldcopper.org/buttons_birmingham.htm
also firmin now own gaunt ,dowler & smith &wright

Who are in turn owned by E.C.Snaith and Son Ltd
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