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Yes, I was only showing him to illustrate the third pattern cap (“for wear in the field”), he’s not a QM. He is an officer though so the grenade is likely small, bullion wire. At that time second lieutenants did not wear rank stars. Lieutenants wore one star and captains two.
Last edited by Toby Purcell; 06-07-19 at 11:45 AM. |
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I’m not talking about going to the museum and asking questions, but examining archives yourself. You know yourself that not all museum curators and archivists are especially knowledgeable in every subject, and insignia is not everyone’s interest in the way it is for us. Last edited by Toby Purcell; 06-07-19 at 11:42 AM. |
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Thats good to see i didn't realise the Quartermaster wore the frock coat.
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Dress regulations isn't very clear, coat for the Quartermaster i quote " scarlet, blue collar and cuff, embroiled device only of the Regiment on the collar. Epaulettes the same as for Subalterns Officers. "
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ALL officers Andy.
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Do you reckon the Quartermaster is amongst those ? Is this a photo you have ? Can you zoom in ?
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Yes I think the QM is in the photo, no I cannot zoom in. The photos are from your museum. There was nothing ‘different’ to ID Victorian era Guards quartermasters dress unless in full dress, apart from their age and any medal ribbons, and many passed over officers of field rank would have looked similar in both regards anyway.
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This is a classic example of what I was saying about curators and archivists. I didn’t see anyone, some or all of the regiments (GG) photographic archive has been published online in small sizes so that the regiment can make money from members of the public, who can order photos as prints, framed pictures and various other objects.
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That is full dress, and describes what the Scots Guards QM 1860 is wearing. Full dress requirements didn’t change that much after the 1855 pattern was brought in.
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Ill go and see if i can look closer at the original, to see if the badges are the same, all bar one ?
Andy
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So it would seem if the received wisdom is correct, although I’ll vouchsafe that it does seem odd for just one regiment to do it. I’ve posited an alternative explanation in my earlier post mentioning Christ.
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Toby, i don't know what to say. The Coldstream Guards and Scots Guards Officers wore metallic cap badges in the Victorian era. The Grenadier Guards officers did on the foreign service helmet at that time. The grenade and the garter surmounted by the crown the later up until about 1934. The badge Simon is selling ( which is nice ) is not mentioned in Dress Regulations for the Army - Foot Guards 1934 ? Even though it mentions the Forage Cap ( Officers ) and gold embroided grenade being worn on it. It does also mention the Cocked Hat for quartermasters, i would have thought if the Quartermaster did wear a metallic grenade it would have said ? Every other cap badge ( grenade type ) is mentioned in dress regs or has a sealed pattern fact.
However these gilt grenades are about, fact and thats to Mike they looked well made too. But now we have the gilt grenade with a white metal cypher and a gilt grenade with a gilt cypher both to the King George V era fact, why ????? We have K & K saying one thing and then the image you have shown with the 5 grenades on it saying another ????? I'm not to clever, but i'll admit i'm confused. Andy
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