EU referendum

[Hoot]

Originally Posted by GriffMJ

I have a more positive outlook and faith that... as always.... the UK has a better future.

Brilliant!!

[Hoot]

Originally Posted by High Wood

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-34948557

Sheffield once the home of the British steel industry had its new tram system tendered out to the EU under their rules. The trams were made in Spain and the rails in Germany. Please tell me how that has benefited the workers of Sheffield that once made the finest steel in the world and the workers of Lancashire and Wiltshire that once made the finest locomotives and railway carriages?

The EU is a three card trick, it does not create prosperity it simply moves existing factories to poorer nations and then claims it has raised the standard of living in those countries. Ask the workers from the Ford Transit factory in Southampton if the EU funding that moved their factory to Turkey raised their standard of living,

Well said.

[Hoot]

Originally Posted by BWEF

I suppose we cant all be realistic.

I can remember people saying that the EU would fall apart, but it now seems far more likely that the UK will fall apart.

You're a real laugh a minute you are, you appear to have absolutely no confidence in Great Britain's abilities at all. This country is a survivor and if it has to suffer to be free to do it's own thing once again then it willl be well worth it.

[Phil2M]

BWEF, they were right, the EU is falling apart.

[High Wood]

Originally Posted by Phil2M

BWEF, they were right, the EU is falling apart.

Phil,

how can you possibly say that? These citizens are clearly expressing their deep joy and profound gratitude for the peace and prosperity that the EU has brought them.

Simon


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euYtLs2LthQ

[Phil2M]

Originally Posted by High Wood

Phil,

how can you possibly say that? These citizens are clearly expressing their deep joy and profound gratitude for the peace and prosperity that the EU has brought them.

Simon


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euYtLs2LthQ

They all seemed happy to me

[fougasse1940]

It baffles me that a part of the UK believes its woes are sorted by leaving the EU, an organisation the UK has been a member of for decades, and by the way, still is.
If decades of membership brought about all these woes, why would its apparently poor negotiation skills, how else did these woes arise, now all of a sudden be advantageous with the rest of the whole world and the EU, but from outside of it?

Regardless of whatever the outcome might be, Putin is the one that's winning. Google “The Principles of Geopolitics” by Alexander Dugin, a book that is being tought at school in Russia.

Rgds, Thomas

[BWEF]

Originally Posted by GriffMJ

Just a reminder..... this was an advert to sell a fizzy drink. Its not reality (it never will be)....... it just sold lots of fizzy drink.

Coca Cola were amateurs.

Fizzy drinks? This advert helped sell a whole nation down the river.

It will also open up the NHS to American medico business. The sort of people who let poor Americans who can't pay die.

[GriffMJ]

Originally Posted by fougasse1940

Regardless of whatever the outcome might be, Putin is the one that's winning. Google “The Principles of Geopolitics” by Alexander Dugin, a book that is being tought at school in Russia.

Rgds, Thomas

And Saul Alinsky is being taught in the West. The infection of marxism...

[BWEF]

Originally Posted by High Wood

Phil,

how can you possibly say that? These citizens are clearly expressing their deep joy and profound gratitude for the peace and prosperity that the EU has brought them.

Simon


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euYtLs2LthQ

Typical Brexiter understanding of the European mainland.

Those people are protesting about price rises, notably of petrol.

They are protesting against internal French government policy, and President Macron. Nothing at all to do with the EU.

Trying to blame the EEC/EU for these British riots, purely a result of internal British policy, would make about as much sense:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRj2K0ulD8Q

[fougasse1940]

Originally Posted by GriffMJ

And Saul Alinsky is being taught in the West. The infection of marxism...

Does that explain Brexit?

Rgds, Thomas

[BWEF]

Originally Posted by Hoot

You're a real laugh a minute you are, you appear to have absolutely no confidence in Great Britain's abilities at all. This country is a survivor and if it has to suffer to be free to do it's own thing once again then it willl be well worth it.

I have a lot of confidence in the British people. Whatever shit-storm leaving the EU will cause the British people will deal with it. There will be civil unrest and the UK will probably fall apart, but the people will still be here

Points at issue would be that the economy will take a hit at about the same level as having lost a war, and it is all self inflicted.

The "Non Dom" tax dodgers, the disaster capitalists and the Russians will be rubbing their hands with glee. The Neo-Liberal members of the ERG will relish the possibility of removing rights at work and health and safety legislation.

Even Brexiteers who had promised us "sunny uplands" now concede that point. Rees-Mogg is now speaking of Brexit paying off in 50 years. Do you have fifty years to wait? I know I don't. The OBR are also speaking of austerity continuing for 50 years:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...e-uk-finances/

Funny how none of this was mentioned at the time of the referendum. The Brexit that was promised can not be done, and it never could.

Brexiteer lies that far too may people fell for:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGt3QmRSZY

[GriffMJ]

Originally Posted by fougasse1940

Does that explain Brexit?

Rgds, Thomas

Brexit is a reality..... its happening.... we have had a democratic vote. It will be honoured.

[fougasse1940]

Griff, your overwhelming verbosity completely takes the wind out of my sails, I urge you to take over all future negotiations on behalf of the UK and all shall be well.

Rgds, Thomas

[BWEF]

Originally Posted by High Wood

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-34948557

Sheffield once the home of the British steel industry had its new tram system tendered out to the EU under their rules. The trams were made in Spain and the rails in Germany. Please tell me how that has benefited the workers of Sheffield that once made the finest steel in the world and the workers of Lancashire and Wiltshire that once made the finest locomotives and railway carriages?

The EU is a three card trick, it does not create prosperity it simply moves existing factories to poorer nations and then claims it has raised the standard of living in those countries. Ask the workers from the Ford Transit factory in Southampton if the EU funding that moved their factory to Turkey raised their standard of living,

This is modernity or globalism and is the result of the British government following those economic ideas. In particular since the days of Thatcher.

It seems to me that the EU/EEC had very little to do with the decline of the British steel industry. There were other factors in play:

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ine-of-decline

We also had coal mines which were shut down because they were "uneconomic". The claim being that we could import foreign coal at less cost, and so on.

We used to make other things. Things that are now imported from places like China because they are cheap.

The British government made a choice to go down this road, and also converted our economy to a service economy. Germany, also a member of the EU, retains a mixed economy, and seems to be doing well.

The fact is that the whole time we were in the EEC/EU all our laws were made at Westminster. It even says so in the Brexit White Paper. However, the EEC/EU served as a useful scapegoat for the failures of British government