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He would have done as the a/t drum major and a/t pipe major would have done.That is if there was one appointed at the time.
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The a/t RSM wore the same as the RSM,this could be a right pain if you had pt during the day. |
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I was not making any point, just continuing the previous postings of the various regulations covering the Red Sash. I will not post on the subject again.
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No offence meant Marc and if any was taken I apologise. Your posts are always very welcome and I for one have learned a lot from them. I was just trying to clarify if you were suggesting that other arms can now wear scarlet sashes with official sanction. Clearly you were not.
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Roger out.....
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Please accept my apologies for resurrecting a long dormant thread and also this being a rather long-winded first post from a newly registered, but long term, reader of the forum.
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There is so much mis-understood, even in today's army regarding the Infantry Sgts Sash. One is the myth that passing the Guards Drill Course qualifies the wearer- like many army myths, it falls down on logic. Do they not wonder that, if it's a qualification of the course, why do some attendees start the course wearing the Infantry Sgts sash, like, er infantry sgts? Another myth (one that unfortunately seems to have become a reality) is that you are allowed to wear the sash if you are on public duties even though it is not part of your regiment or corps uniform regs. The Royal Signals are culprits in this, despite the RSigs being a 'mounted' corps by descent and wearing the wide 'cavalry' stripe on their trousers and subalterns wearing spurs and cross-belts. I've also seen a video of Royal Artillery Sgts/WO2s (probably TA/Reserve)wearing the sash at a Palace Guard mounting, something that would put old school RSMs at the former RA Depot, Woolwich in danger of apoplexy. It is quite true that the Army Air Corps has Glider Pilot Regiment antecedents but they also inherit the Royal Artillery distinctions via the Air Observation Pilots. I would suggest that the Army Air Corps do not have the infantry sash as part of their uniform for the following reasons; 1 The AAC are not included in the Army Clothing Regs quoted in an earlier post. 2. The sash is not worn by AAC on formal parades other than Public Duties. 3. There is a clash between their 'mounted' accoutrements and an Infantry sash. (The only exception to this I know, and there may be others I am not aware of, is the wearing of the broad mounted trouser stripe by the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, passed down from the distinction awarded to the Royal Fusiliers for their association with protecting the Artillery trains ) So why do they wear it on public duties? Partly through lack of knowledge of the uniform traditions and also perhaps the army has changed its outlook from; " We do this/ wear this because we (our regiment/corps) are different to anyone else" to "What they are wearing looks rather nice, can we wear it, too?" It may be of interest to the OP that Commonwealth armies such as Australia and Canada, seem to stick closer to the British traditions of the Infantry Sgts sash than the British do. |
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ACC WO's and SNCO's wore a red sash when performing Corps/Regtl Duties.
The ACC apprentices did also see image, it was common practice for other Corps I came across that when on Regimental duty a red sash would be worn. Paul |
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I have two original pre-Great War sashes, one that belonged to Drum Major George Ball, 2/Suffolk and another that belonged to Sergeant Fred Pye, 1/Suffolk.
I had always thought that a Sergeants sash should be red, but both are crimson. Jack Hind, who served with 1/Suffolk just after the war said that the post war Sergeants sashes were bright red but pre-war sashes were crimson as the scarlet didn't stand out on a scarlet jacket. I've no idea if that is true but Fred's Sergeants sash was certainly not scarlet. |
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The wearing of the Infantry Sgt's Sash as a uniform distinction, that is as worn by all sgts and WOs, is pretty well defined, Infantry (less Rifles) and the infantry derived corps - RAPTC, SASC, SAS is pretty well defined in clothing regs. Any other formation parading with sgts/wos all wearing sashes is not covered by their arm/corps dress regulations and so would be wrong. Of course, the waters are muddied by having the sash used as a duty sash in some units whereby the orderly sgt wears a sash on the day that he is doing that duty. A sash is as good as anything to denote that, although it wasn't universal - obviously it would be pointless in an infantry battalion. I was once a guest in a RA Sgt's mess and queried why the Ord Sgt didn't wear a sash and was told by a learned member that (a) "We are gunners and we don't wear a sash", and (b) "We all know who the orderly sgt is anyway". I believe that this has changed now and some gunner regiments do now have the ord sgt wearing a sash. Some formations dyed the sash which avoids confusion with the infantry uniform distinction. |
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Royal Signals dress regulations specify SNCO's sashes are dark blue not red.
Not to say that some numpty did not wear a red one in error but he would be very wrong. |
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