Honourable Art Coy cap badges

[monfort1]

Hi

As far as I know, this Company wore two types of badges:
- the Art type (with H.A.C under the crown and the motto, "ARMA PACIS FULCRA")
- a grenade with a monogram

What is the difference between these two badges? (dates? )

Regardinf the motto, would you confirm me that the cap badge on this Off cap is not the good one, right?

Thank you for you help

[manchesters]

Eric,

The HAC was split into 2 parts.

1. Artillery
2. Infantry

The Artillery wore the same 'style' badges as the RA but with their own title and motto on the scrolls. The HAC cap badge you show on its own is a modern FAKE COPY.

The cap badge on the cap is an other ranks cap badge. It should be an officers in Gilt.

regards

[monfort1]

Hi Simon,

Thank you

The Art cap badge on its own is just to show the design (and indeed it's a copy)

Back to the specific motto for the ART type cap badge: should it be ever with H.A.C under the crown and the motto, "ARMA PACIS FULCRA" ?

[manchesters]

Yes,

It should be like the fake one is (but real).

regards

[Jelly Terror]

Originally Posted by monfort1

Hi

As far as I know, this Company wore two types of badges:
- the Art type (with H.A.C under the crown and the motto, "ARMA PACIS FULCRA")
- a grenade with a monogram

What is the difference between these two badges? (dates? )

Regardinf the motto, would you confirm me that the cap badge on this Off cap is not the good one, right?

Thank you for you help

Eric,

I am sure a more knowledgeable member can elaborate further on this, but with regard to your grenade badge, my understanding is that it is worn on the forage cap (worn with undress)... officers wear a silver wired grenade badge with a gilt metal HAC cipher applied to its ball; senior non-commissioned officers wear silver metal grenade badge with HAC cipher in gold; and other ranks wear an entirely silver metal grenade badge.

Below is an example of the khaki beret worn with a cap badge by HAC officers and warrant officers. This type of Army-issue infantry beret is worn by all ranks of the regiment with combat dress; rank is differentiated by cap badges. The embroidered badge of the HAC crest is worn by officers and warrant officers, whilst all other ranks wear the HAC crest in silver metal. Additionally, the members of the Corps of Drums, wear a silver grenade on their berets.





Below is an example of the other ranks' infantry field cap (or 'trench' cap), as worn from 1916; with HAC grenade cap badge:



Regards,

JT

[Nozzer]

I have this sitting on a shelf in the shed

[monfort1]

Hi everybody

Thank you !

I have looked at this album: http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...p?albumid=1550

[wardog]

Can someone give a timeline for HAC badges since 1900? Mainly interested as to when the badge as shown on a beret came into use. I have also seen it on gravestones. Regards, Paul.

[54Bty]

The ‘short arms’ were adopted as a beret badge in 1973, when the Gun badge stopped being worn.

Marc

[wardog]

Thanks Marc, I'm not up to much beyond the Great War when the infantry grenade was GM. So if I understand, apart from the beret all ORs now use the grenade in WM. When did the change happen to white metal? Regards, Paul.

[Mike H]

The silver anodised grenade is also found with gold anodised letters. Worn for a very short period in the early 70s by Sgts and WOs.