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Lanarkshire Yeomanry collar dogs
Did the LY have collars? I havnt found any in the books and dont remember seeing any. Colin
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Hello Colin
I'm not a yeomanry buff but, your question intrigued me, and I cannot seem to find a reference to LY collars either. Fortunately, I know a chap who is a long standing collector of Scottish Yeomanry etc. and I asked the question. He informed me that collars were worn certainly pre WWI and alledgely he has a Photo dated 1913 showing them in wear. The image is not clear enough to see the exact design, but apparently they were of similar size to the cap badge, and whether they were with or within the scroll, is unclear. I believe he has other references , but he is away at the moment, when he returns I will ask more. I hope what I've stated in good faith is correct, and hopefully another more informed member of the forum will clarify matters further. Rob |
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Thanks Rob, I look forward to hearing more. It just struck me that when I was putting some L & Borders stuff together that I hadnt any LY collar dogs and it just got me into looking into my books. No luck so here I am. Colin
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Finally I think I might have some answers for you. There is apparently a new book 'Uniforms of the Yeomanry Cavalry 1901 -1914' by Robert Smith & David Knight, which on page 122 has a picture of a church parade of the LY in 1913, and O/R's in Blues wearing Collars. No image available at this time. Furthermore, the attached image is of Capt. W.M. Tower in SD wearing 'Bronze Cap badge & Collars with gilt crown & claws'. This is from the published series of 'The uniforms of the British Yeomanry force 1794-1914. No.10 The Yeomanry Force at the 1911 Coronation. Why this and one other officer is in Khaki SD on this occassion I really do not know? It appears the answer is yes Collars were worn.I trust this may help you. Regards Rob |
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Just got my copy of the book. I see the picture and it looks like the collars are the same size of the cap badge. I have to find one of my period jackets and see what a cap badge looks like on the collar and compare it to the picture. If its true that would explain why there arnt any smaller sixe collars around. Officers is probably similar if you look at the pic of Capt Tower.
The LY at the time of the picture were one of the few Yeomanry Regts to comply with the regulations and used khaki uniforms and I guess that they thought khaki was good enough? Does seem strange though. Maybe his luggage got lost on the train??? Colin |
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Hi Colin,
Reference the photograph from Smith and Harris (1988): The badge worn by Capt. Tower, Lanarkshire Yeomanry can be found in Bloomer (266). Bloomer does not specify what badge was worn between 1909 - 1913 (photo was 1911), but the same pattern badge was also worn from 1953 - 1956. It might also be the case that this pattern was worn only by officers and the OR's had a different pattern badge. The well known double-headed eagle with scroll (KK 1430) was worn from 1914-1953 with a collar badge of the same pattern (31mm x 33mm). I have included a link to show the uniform worn by Lt. Col. J. Fasson, Lanarkshire Yeomanry (155th Field Regt. RA) after his ordeal in a Japanese POW camp after the fall of Singapore. This uniform features this collar badge. Link: http://www.fepow-community.org.uk/page_2.pdf (the picture was taken with a lo-res camera) Cheers, Gaz |
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Lanarkshire Yeomanry Collar badges
Hi Colin
Collar badges were also worn on the Lapels of the officers' mess kit towards the end of the LY as we know it. They were similar to the black and gilt ones shown in the 1913 photograph. I will try to forward a picture. Best wishes Gordon |
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Hi All,
Here is a scan of part of a pamphlet re an exhibition of the Lanarkshire Yeomanry displayed in Lanark Library in 2008. The following is a write-up of the book pictured. Hard to see but John McEwan appears to be wearing LY collar badges. Cheers, Tinto As John McEwan, a young Gunner in the 155th (Lanarkshire Yeomanry) Royal Artillery Regiment sailed down the Clyde in early 1941, he and his colleagues could never have imagined the horrors that lay ahead. When John and his Regiment landed in Malaya, they were all hugely confident. This evaporated in utter disbelief as the British were totally out-manoeuvered by the Japanese advance culminating in the capture of Singapore. However there was hard fighting, more than generally credited, and John McEwan found himself in the thick of it. In the event, the author was one of the few to survive the horrors of prolonged captivity and mistreatment. This is his extraordinary story, told with humility and pride, which he dedicates both to those who slaved, suffered and died in brutal conditions of the Kinkasaki copper mine. Last edited by Tinto; 03-08-12 at 02:19 AM. Reason: Added picture |
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Lanarkshire Yeomanry collar badges
Hi Colin
Collar badges were worn on the officers' mess kit Best wishes Gordon |
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Lanarkshire Yeomanry collar badges
Whilst the double- headed eagle badge of this Regiment isn't, of course, new, I do have a well-made(NOT A/A), modern pair of 'Firmin' marked black and gilt collar dogs, with 'north and south' loops and a pin and on triangular brass, backing plates. The badges in appearance and size, look very similar to those shown on the mess dress, helpfully, illustrated.
I've assumed that these were 'the last vestige' worn by successor squadrons of the much altered, Scottish Yeomanry whilst the cap badge remained, SC or even of one of The Corps. In my experience, mixing badges like this isn't an uncommon feature of Yeomanry dress with the ever-changing OsoB. Maddeningly I recently had (literally) at my fingertips, some recent history 1990s > suggesting support for this theory but have since lost it! But - unconfirmed, conjecture, so still a bit of a mystery.. |
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I think I have found the collar tabs
Hi all I think I have found a set of elusive collar tabs for the Lanarkshire regiment please see pictures
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These appear to be off the horse furniture, nice but not collar badges in my opinion.
Cheers Mike The Quartermaster www.qmsmilitaria.com |
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I think these are the modern new metal collar badges referred to in post 10.
JSP768 Description: Badge, Organisation, Collar. All Ranks. B (Lanarkshire and Queen's Own Glasgow Yeomanry) Squadron. Gilding metal. Black and gold finish. NSN 8455-99-869-1701 Pattern No 27996 Tim
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Very nice, slick mick is after a pair of these if memory serves me!
Cheers Mike Www.qmsmilitaria.com |
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