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Kevin.
Nice little collection you got going there, good to see. Do have a nice large cabinet photo of officers in camp, three variants of cap badges, four different version of collars. Ta |
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Thanks Kevin, that is certainly a very fine collection.
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Again, very many thanks Kevin, I'll go with Pattern 15161 then, I just felt it to be not the norm when I looked at it.
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What an interesting thread, most educational.
I do believe what Kevin says is right about the curled up Ich Dien scrolled WM Fishguard scroll badge being the earlier one, I've photos, that I can't post on here due to family not wanting them online, They're dated 1911 and 12 and all are wearing the bi metal PWO feather's badge with the WM Fishguard scroll, Ich Dien scrolls curled up badge, similar to Frank's, but with the obvious WM Fishguard scroll. These photos I've posted are available on line Google images, show both the curled up Ich Dien, and the flat more straight ones. I too thought Frank's badge was older, due to the curled up scrolls, maybe they used the same dies? As I said, an interesting thread. Chris |
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Morning Kevin,
So the first ranker's badge you refer to here, I assume would ultimately become WO Pattern 9287 of the 12th of April 1916 as mentioned in post three in this thread, which does appear in all the period photographs, with the motto scrolls being manufacturers variations? Still, very handsome and nicely made badges, but, I assume simply described as bi metal by the War Office, rather than actually stating just the coronet in gilding metal. Frank Quote:
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I think Alan’s suggestion of the pattern potentially being re-sealed in 1952 seems plausible and an entirely possible scenario to me based on the physical attributes of the badge in post #1.
Post WW2 badge manufacture seemed largely confined to the big companies like Gaunt, Firmin, Dowler etc. Compare the known die stamped metal badges of this period and quality of their manufacture to the badge in the OP. You’ll struggle to find such a poor reverse strike. Add to that it sports POW feathers from a die extant pre-1920. In addition to earlier patterns that have not yet been discovered there is also the possibility the 1915 WO pattern Julian mentions in BM could potentially have been misinterpreted by a new manufacturer as the Pembroke scroll being in GM, it wouldn’t be the most heinous WW1 manufacturing mistake. I’m certain the 1952 pattern will be the badge shown in Kevin’s photo (bottom row, left) where the badge is overlaid and ID scrolls are annealed to the Fishguard scroll. This conformation also carried on with the AA version. Others will probably disagree but I’m of the firm conviction the badge that is the topic of this thread pre-dates the 1950s by some considerable time. |
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I think, to be quite honest, that I will keep an open mind about this particular badge.
I don't bother with yeomanry anyway and certainly not beyond the Great War period, when the horse's start being sold off, but, it's all about actual evidence and to date I have yet to see any that clearly shows this badge actually being worn during the period up to the end of the Great War. Quote:
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