The Motto

[mjh]

I am trying to complete my collection of British Lancers OR cap badges, from inception to the present and have questions regarding the much revered Motto badge. The various web sites are confusing, some showing blue enamel on the scroll, some show crossed lances as part of the badge, others not. I know there were differences of manufacture but would someone please advise:

a) Was a badge having a blue enamel scroll ever issued? (not in KK)
b) According to KK, The Queen's Royal Lancers of 1993 retained the Motto unaltered, (no lances). Do The Royal Lancers of 2015 have a different badge?
c) Are the crossed lances, if used, a part of the metal badge or only on the felt backing?
btw - Is there a correct name for, "backing felt"?

Michael

[slick_mick]

Here's the new motto of The Royal Lancers.

Mick

[slick_mick]

Helps if I add it.

More info about it in this thread.

Mick

[REMEVMBEA1]

Originally Posted by mjh

I am trying to complete my collection of British Lancers OR cap badges, from inception to the present and have questions regarding the much revered Motto badge. The various web sites are confusing, some showing blue enamel on the scroll, some show crossed lances as part of the badge, others not. I know there were differences of manufacture but would someone please advise:

a) Was a badge having a blue enamel scroll ever issued? (not in KK)
b) According to KK, The Queen's Royal Lancers of 1993 retained the Motto unaltered, (no lances). Do The Royal Lancers of 2015 have a different badge?
c) Are the crossed lances, if used, a part of the metal badge or only on the felt backing?
btw - Is there a correct name for, "backing felt"?

Michael

I would say that the last motto is incomplete without the felt backing as the lancers are a part of the badge.

[GriffMJ]

Officer... Blazer badge & Pins..... Other Ranks

[Mike H]

As Griff has shown .The beret badge has gold wire for Officers and yellow for OR`s. The cap "Motto" is backed in red, same configuration. But apparently, the only ones wearing it at present are people who are doing "Regimental Duties". I presume that means the CO ,RSM and Adjutant.
The information that I have at present, is that they soldiers still haven't been issued with collar badges or shoulder titles, as the Regiment still haven't received them. Which to be perfectly honest, is a bloody disgrace.

Although, the same has happened with the new Royal Wessex Yeomanry badge. They were all scrapped and then for the formation parade something was glued together and sprayed and is made from plastic.This is the black and silver badge that youll find if you G...le the above regiments badge. Whether they have got them yet I don't know.

Yet in the early 70`s ,cap badges and shoulder titles were made for the proposed merger of the Gloucesters and Hampshires. With new cap badge and titles,only for the merger to be sidelined.

Ridiculous state of affairs ,I could imagine somebodys son or grandson saying "can I see you new badge" "sorry haven't got it yet". If it was me,id be embarrassed by the whole sorry saga.

[mac mcconnell]

The Regiment has received its Mottos and also it shoulder titles collars and other bits and bobs they look very nice.

Mac

[mjh]

Many thanks to all those who responded to my post.

The matter of The Royal Lancers beret badge appears clear but troopers wear many hats!
I have now discovered "The Royal Lancers draft dress regs.", item 4 of which describes an all metal badge for use on the OR forage cap, "if IPT can produce the red and white enamel", presumably IPT are still working on it. I agree with Mike H, (no relation) it's a disgrace but it will be a smart badge, if it materialises.

Nobody commented on my blue enamel scroll question but interestingly, such does appear in item 4 of the draft dress regs.
My question stands - was a Motto with a blue scroll ever issued for army use or only by web site artists?

Such nit-picking as this probably arises from living in a country busy squandering millions of $'s on whether or not to change it's national flag!

Michael

[mac mcconnell]

On the issue badge its a blue scroll with a yellow boarder and yellow Or Glory. I do know the Regiment has looked at several options for the New Motto ,but I am still not sure what the final out come will be.

Mac

[Mike H]

I spoke to a guy a few weeks ago,works for TKS . They produced the Motto. Apparently the other companies were having a lot problems producing a badge that was deemed acceptable. TKS stepped in with what has been shown previously.
However,they didnt do the collars or the shoulder titles. Which Mac says the regiment have now received .

[mac mcconnell]

Hi Mike
Talk about Hens teeth and the Crown Jewels would be easier to get a look at.
Its taken over a year for me to get this much together. I am leaving it all bagged as its all part of the initial out lay the Motto is private purchase not issue

[Mike H]

I know Mac and they arent cheap either .

[mjh]

Thanks guys,

We wait for a final, final outcome. Must say I was impressed with Mac's bag of goodies, my collection is specifically OR metal cap badges only, no collars, shoulders, etc. All according to John Gaylor and KK.

Michael

[slick_mick]

Originally Posted by mac mcconnell

Hi Mike
Talk about Hens teeth and the Crown Jewels would be easier to get a look at.
Its taken over a year for me to get this much together. I am leaving it all bagged as its all part of the initial out lay the Motto is private purchase not issue

Wow Very nice!

Been chasing these myself with no luck to date.

Mick

[Lancer 17]

Originally Posted by mjh

Many thanks to all those who responded to my post.

The matter of The Royal Lancers beret badge appears clear but troopers wear many hats!
I have now discovered "The Royal Lancers draft dress regs.", item 4 of which describes an all metal badge for use on the OR forage cap, "if IPT can produce the red and white enamel", presumably IPT are still working on it. I agree with Mike H, (no relation) it's a disgrace but it will be a smart badge, if it materialises.

Nobody commented on my blue enamel scroll question but interestingly, such does appear in item 4 of the draft dress regs.
My question stands - was a Motto with a blue scroll ever issued for army use or only by web site artists?

Such nit-picking as this probably arises from living in a country busy squandering millions of $'s on whether or not to change it's national flag!

Michael

G'day Michael

Re The Motto

All OR's Mottoes are white metal only with the exception of the WW1 economy issue which is blackened brass, however this badge has been faked to death and its very difficult to say whats origonal and whats a fake.

The first Mottoes C1896 have lugs I have mottoes with 2 E - W lugs there may also be one with a third lug behind the skull. The slider was introduced C1906. The first mottoes have "ears" beside the eyes, you will find these on the Wm issues with lugs and I have one with ears and a very long slider.

The Motto has been in production over a period of more than 100 years and there are many manufacturers and varieties, one quite noticable variety has a flat long nose. They also come in a smaller beret size, they can be found blackened with paint on Wm Mottoes. There has never been a Cap Motto with a blue enamel scroll, the small one that l have is a sweetheart. There has not been an issued all metal Motto with crossed lancers, this was produced as a prototype at the time of the 1993 QRL amalgamation but never adopted but they seem to turn up on Ebay and some dealers lists.

Also be aware of the difference between the cap Motto and the sleeve Chadd they are a different design and the Chad is taller than it is wide and has different shaped bones, where as the Motto is wider than it is high.

I hope that this helps.

Regards

Phil..
"Or Glory"