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Old 05-12-08, 06:58 PM
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Default 11 Light Anti Aircraft RCA Regiment

Hello,
11 LAA RCA Regiment had a short life. It was raised at Colchester in UK in February 1943 from existing batteries (4th, 53rd, 62nd LAA Bty) which came from 2,3 and 4 LAA RCA Regiment, when LAA regiment war establishment was reduced from 4 to 3 batteries. After one year of existence, the 11 LAA RCA was disbanded in March 1944 also in UK. So the regiment was never stationed in Canada and I would be interested to know if 11 LAA RCA slip-on Canadian made exists or only British made like those presented there?
Note the first slip-on above is printed on canvas coarse wave like all the first printed patterns which appeared early in 1943, and the second is hand embroidered. Cheers. J-F
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Hi J F , The 11th that I have in my collection is also English made but not hand embroidered,It was done on a machine. Most of our overseas Artillery Regt's were formed in England ,mostly from batteries that embarked from this side ( Canada) very few of the units that went overseas left here as Regiments for the simple reason that they were local battery size units scattered around the country here when they moblized, but a few did leave here as such. That is why you see so many Artillery titles made in England.

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Hi J F , The 11th that I have in my collection is also English made but not hand embroidered,It was done on a machine. Most of our overseas Artillery Regt's were formed in England ,mostly from batteries that embarked from this side ( Canada) very few of the units that went overseas left here as Regiments for the simple reason that they were local battery size units scattered around the country here when they moblized at that time they were very territorial, but a few did leave here as such. That is why you see so many Canadian Artillery titles made in England.

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Hello J-F. Not sure there is a simple answer to your question. Many RCA regiments obtained titles from sources both in Canada and the UK. The printed canvas titles were only acquired from the UK.
In the archives research, there is no mention of the 11 LAA acquiring their titles from Canada. Unfortunately, the records are incomplete. Generally speaking, by the time that 11 LAA was formed, units had permission to acquire their needs from sources in the UK. There does not appear to be a Canadian pattern title for the unit. Image attached of a UK pattern machine embroidered.
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Default What the 11 LAA RCA batteries became after the regiment was disbanded?

Hello Ray and Bill,
Thanks for your comments, information and picture.
I wonder what became the 3 batteries of the 11 LAA RCA after the regiment was disbanded? Does anybody know their fate? I only know the former CO of the regiment (Lt-Col R.M. Bishop) took the command of the 2 LAA RCA in May or June 1944 in Italy. Cheers. J-F
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Falconer, in his book Battery Flashes of W.W.II indicates that the batteries of 11 LAA were broken up. Manpower shortages were cited as the reason.
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I have notes on 62nd LAA Bty RCA as it falls under my interest in BC units.

62nd Field Battery

15 Oct 1929 Authorized
62 Field Battery (Howitzer), RCA Duncan, BC

1939-1945
62 Field Battery Serial 449C
Details named components of CASF
GO 135/39 Effective 1 Sept 1939

44th/62nd Field Battery RCA, CASF
GO 184/40 Effective 24 May 1940
Assigned to 13th Field Regiment RCA, CASF, 3rd Division, CASF.
Sub 13 Field Regiment, RCA
Redesignated 62nd Field Battery RCA, Serial 451
GO 45/41 Effective 1 Jan 1941

62nd Anti-Aircraft Battery Serial 451
Sub 4th Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment, RCA
GO 74/41 Effective 1 Jan 1941
● Title: 4 LAA RCA

62nd Anti-Aircraft Battery Serial 449C
GO 54/42 Effective 22 Dec 1941

62nd Anti-Aircraft Battery Serial 449C
Assigned to 11th Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment, RCA
1st Canadian Anti-Aircraft Brigade, First Canadian Army
GO 242/43 Effective 6 Mar 1943
11th Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment, RCA
● Title: 11 LAA RCA

Disbanded in UK
GO 357/44 Effective 1 Mar 1944

1 Apr 1946 Converted and redesignated. GO 115/46
62nd Anti-Tank Battery (Self Propelled), RCA Courtenay, BC
Subunit of 41st Anti-Tank Regiment (Self Propelled), RCA
● Title: 41 A TK
41 Anti-Tank Regt Disb 1 Oct 1954

62nd Anti-Tank Battery, RCA
● Title: 62 A TK

31 Dec 1954 Redesignated and converted.
The Canadian Scottish Regiment (Princess Mary’s)
66 LAA and 62 Anti-Tank Battery, RCA absorbed by The Canadian Scottish Regiment (Princess Mary’s).

References:
Falconer, DW Battery Flashes
Van der schee, Wyn "Cloth Epaulette Titles The Royal Regiment of Canadian Artillery"
General Orders
Regiments and Corps of the Canadian Army
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Hello Bill and Phillip,
Thank you very much to share your knowledge, very informative.
Best regards. J-F
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Here is another well worn and trimmed printed canvas example. Was only the very first issue of printed RCA titles done on this thick heavy weave material?

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There were at least two weights of "silko" material used in the production of the printed titles. The first issue, circa 1943, was the heavier material, and the later issues appear to be the lighter weight of material. Being the 11 LAA was disbanded, it was likely only issued in the heavier material. The examples I have are the heavier weight.
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