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Staybrite Caernarvon & Denbighshire badges
Hi Guys,
Here's one for the staybrite collectors in the forum. I have 2 Anodised aluminium badges to the said Regt both are different! As can hopefully be seen in the piccys, picture 1 & 2 is a staybrite badge made by J.R Gaunt London it is a similar pattern to Gaylor's plate 33D. I believe this to be the genuine item. Pictures 3 & 4 are a different style of badge were the "Ich Dien" scrolls appear well detatched from the the bottom title scroll.As one forum member said on another thread it looks like a Wiltshire Yeo badge with a scroll added on underneath.My Personal feeling is that the badge depicted in pics 3 & 4 is a reject a/a badge for the C & D Yeo - the gold colour is poor and also overlaps on to the plumes.It also has a blank slider which suggests to me it was likely to have been never issued. I prefer to look at this item as a reject rather than an all too readily used term "fake anodised". I would like to think when Firmin took over Gaunt in Birmingham all previously rejected badges in the store rooms would have been sold off , hence all the mistakes and odd variations that turn up. I think any currently produced "fake anodised" are so poorly made they wouldn't fool even a novice collector. Do any other members in the forum have any other C & D Yeo staybrites similar to the ones shown or any opinions on authenticity of their badges. Regards. Colin |
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Cant comment on the individual badges, but the only Caernarvonshire and Denbighshire Yeomanry badge I ever owned was well and truly scratched as one might expect from an old used anodised badge.
The point of my post is that if you look at Edwards " Regimental Badges", first edition,of which I have a copy of the 1972 reprint, the badge is shown as having "C &D Yeo" on the scroll and not the full title ( see picture ) I wonder if Edwards.like a lot of other respected authors was wrong in his line drawn illustration ? P.B.
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Colin, I have an example matching yours as shown in 3&4. Mine is pristine and I have always been suspicious of it. I know that other Welsh collectors have the C&D examples with the Gaunt mark on the slider and believe this to be the genuine one. With regard to Edwards, his drawn images leave a lot to be desired and he has used a lot of abbreviations where none actually existed. Cofion, Kevin Last edited by 41st; 26-09-08 at 09:13 AM. Reason: Typo |
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hi Guys,believe it or not i raised this point with hagwalther in the last 7 days.Ive had limited internet access at the moment so i am a bit behind.I was waiting for a picture of the rear of the 1 badge before i passed comment.My initial thought was that 1 was a recent fake,until i saw the back of both badges.The points raised in the thread are the same as i mentioned.The unit existed for 6 years or so,i wouldnt have thought that the badge was mass produced.Its quiet possible that 1 is a reject batch.
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The Gaunt looks good to me (remember I'm no expert here just trying to record it all and make some sense of it all).
Now with the second. Has the scroll part been added to the badge? The blank slider looks like a few I have seen lately too. With regard to the scroll part - this looks like a separate piece added via pins to a scroll 'backing plate'. Is this correct and if so, could the same badge be reused for other units but with a different scroll? Coming back to sliders. I am of the opinion that they were added BEFORE attachement to the badge body as it would be easier to do this rather than after - Am I right here? Regards Chris |
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Having now seen one of the blank slidered cap badges and checked it against other maker's slider types, including the ones faked in the 1970s, it is my opinion that it is not a Gaunt badge (ruling out it coming from the same source as the unmarked fakes made by Gaunt) but a Marples & Beasley badge.
The slider is identical to the ultra scarce Lancashire Fusilier cap badge and other marked M&B 1950's-60's badge. Whilsts the style of the POW feathers is different there are other example of 2 makers using different PofW feather designs for the same unit such as the 10th Hussars. |
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Caernarvon/Flint & Denbigh Yeo Cap badges.....
Hi All
Does anyone have the following in Anodised Cap badges? 1. "Caernarvon & Denbigh Yeo", anodised aluminium sealed pattern 28th Jan 1952 (KK Fig: 2350). 2. "Flint & Debigh Yeo", anodised aluminium sealed pattern 28th Jan 1958 (KK Fig : 2351). I would love to see some images front & back.... Were there different makers of each of the badges? I did find this thread http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ead.php?t=3658 and one of those A/A badges is a fake.
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Found images of both now...... both are Gaunt made..... unless anyone has a different maker variant?
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Hi Griff,
The following two badges are deemed, by myself at least, to be genuine examples. Regards Chris |
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Thank you Chris
I did find a very old post on the subject and in it was a fake ...... this type of fake can also be found in bi-metal.
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Chris
Just to clarify..... in your opinion is the A/A badge below a fake? I ask because the OSD next to it is identicle and it would rule that one out as being a viable badge.
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Nice pair of badges, they compliment each other very well. :-) |
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Caernarvon & Denbigh Bimetal
I'd forgotten I that I had picked up the second badge shown below a while back.
The first is what I have always considered to be the standard issue bimetal badge to the above with the three loops on the reverse. The second is the recent pick up with a Gaunt slider, but the badge is from the same die. So why the two variants? |
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