Identification of cap badge please

[Mandy]

Hi,

Could anyone help with the identification of the cap badge on the attached photo?

I have 2 members of my family with this cap badge (in photo form only) but I don't know what regiment/corp etc they were in. It looks like a horse, above a straight bar, with a scroll underneath????

Does anyone out there recognise it? I am sorry that the photo isn't very clear, but it is the only copy I have.

Many thanks

Mandy

[Alan O]

Horse over scroll is either West Yorkshire regt Officer or 3rd Kings Own Hussars. I would have to say west yorkshires as it looks like as later photo.

Alan

[Mandy]

Alan

Both my relatives were born & lived in Leeds, so the West Yorkshire regt seems likely. The photo I have shown was of someone in WW2, the other photo is WW1.

Do you think they were both officers? I will attach the other photo although it is not as clear.
The chap on the left is my gt uncle and on the right is my grandad - who was in the Army medical corps (I believe).

Regards

Mandy

[Bantam]

Hi Mandy and Alan,
I think the badge is 3rd Kings Hussars because if you look at the photo the ends of the title scroll are in keeping with hussars rather then the Yorkshire pennant type.
Regards
Bantam

[Bantam]

Mandy,
Your Great Uncle is wearing the West Yorkshire Badge.
Regards
Bantam

[Alan O]

Could well be the 3rd Hussars after all now that i have enlarged the photo. One thing that is noticeable is that he has a gold tie pin and a light shirt - both of these would be more likely to be cavalry.

Alan

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by Bantam

Hi Mandy and Alan,
I think the badge is 3rd Kings Hussars because if you look at the photo the ends of the title scroll are in keeping with hussars rather then the Yorkshire pennant type.
Regards
Bantam

Hi Bantam,

I think its actually a W. Yorks and not a 3rd Kings Hussars, the scroll ends are there only the near side scroll end is visible but it is partially obscured in shadow easy even for my young eyes to miss but I'm confident he's W. Yorks and not a cavalryman.

I think it possibly more visible on his right collar dog.

btw Mandy the bottom two are not officers althought the top one is a second leiutenant from what I can see in the pic.

Cheers,

Luke

[Bantam]

Hi All,
Totally agree with the Rank assessment but still think its 3rd Kings Hussars with the way the far scroll ends.
Take a look with your younger eyes again bach.
Regards
Bantam

[Mandy]

Alan/Bantam

Since you gave me the names of the 2 regiments, I have had a chance to get clearer images of the cap badges on line. I think that the first photo is probably the 3rd Kings Hussars, as the scroll seems to go under itself. The second photo is probably the West Yorkshire regiment. The scroll seems to go out a bit further at the sides, and the head of the horse seems a bit more upright.
What do you reckon?

Would like to get your ideas on this.

Mandy

[Bantam]

What about the medals WW1 and Victory Medal I reckon.
Regards
Bantam

[Bantam]

Originally Posted by Mandy

Alan/Bantam

Since you gave me the names of the 2 regiments, I have had a chance to get clearer images of the cap badges on line. I think that the first photo is probably the 3rd Kings Hussars, as the scroll seems to go under itself. The second photo is probably the West Yorkshire regiment. The scroll seems to go out a bit further at the sides, and the head of the horse seems a bit more upright.
What do you reckon?

Would like to get your ideas on this.

Mandy

Hi Mandy,
Thats exactly what I did to come to my conclusion.
Regards
Bantam.

[Luke H]

Hi Mandy,

The first is the Hussar badge second is W.Yorks. The hussars is a restike but gives an idea of the scroll end shape.

Luke

[Mandy]

Sorry guys, I just wrote a reply without refreshing the page, and hadn't realised you had all been hard at work.
So let me try and get this clear. Are you all in agreement that the first photo is 3rd Kings Hussars and that he was an officer? Were the Kings Hussars cavalry then?
The other photo of my gt unc & grandad, confirms that neither were officers and that gt unc was probably West Yorks regt?

Have I understood correctly?

I hope you will all excuse my ignorance when it comes to army military history, it really isn't my specialist subject.

I really appreciate all your help today, it has been interesting.

Many thanks

Mandy

[Luke H]

Hi Mandy, Bantam

I've borrowed your pic and doodled on it to highlight my arguement.

On the collar dog you can see what appears to be a return on the scroll and then it goes back out again and has a swallow tail which is more visible from the shadow cast on his uniform (highlighted in red). if the light is coming from his front right at an angle it would explain why we can't see the near collar and why the bottom part of the W.Yorks scroll would be in shade.

I also think the inner return of the scroll (ie where it would fold under and end if 3rd hussars) comes down too low (too deep) to be that regiment and is more akin to the large drop seen on a W.Yorks

If I'm wrong my bad, but I still think I'm right.

Luke

[Bantam]

Hi Mandy Luke,
To clarify the position Mandy we are all in agreement regarding the Rank assessment the bone of contention is whether its a 3rd Kings Hussars or West Yorkshire Badge. Neither Luke or I can agree.
Regards
Bantam