1st North Riding Rifle Volunteers - British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

Peter Brydon · #1 24-10-19, 03:31 PM

Thoughts appreciated on this badge before I offer it for sale.

Many thanks

P.B.

manchesters · #2 24-10-19, 04:02 PM

Looks just fine to me Peter

Peter Brydon · #3 24-10-19, 04:41 PM

Thanks Simon,

That was my thought.

Regards

Peter

grenadierguardsman · #4 24-10-19, 07:52 PM

Looks nice.
Andy

Nozzer · #5 24-10-19, 08:48 PM

Is it possible that this badge has something missing? A crown perhaps?

Peter Brydon · #6 25-10-19, 08:09 AM

Nozzer I dont know, does anyone have a reference book with a picture of this badge in it ?

P.

Wmr-RHB · #7 25-10-19, 10:25 AM

Just out of curiosity.

To which 1st Yorkshire North Riding Rifle Volunteer Corps is this badge supposed to belong?

There was the one raised in 1860 and becoming part of the 2nd Administrative Battalion of Yorkshire North Riding Rifle Volunteers in the same year. On consolidation in 1880, it became 'A' Company of the new 1st Yorkshire North Riding Rifle Volunteer Corps, that was renumbered within a month as the 2nd Yorkshire North Riding Rifle Volunteer Corps (and became in 1883 2nd Volunteer Battalion, The Princess of Wales's Own (Yorkshire Regiment), in 1908 5th Battalion, Alexandra, Princess of Wales's Own (Yorkshire Regiment (TF)).

Also created at consolidation in 1880 was the 4th Yorkshire North Riding Rifle Volunteer Corps (from the 1st Administrative Battalion of Yorkshire Norh Riding Rifle Volunteers), that was renumbered within a month as 1st Yorkshire North Riding Rifle Volunteer Corps (and became in 1883 1st Volunteer Battalion, The Princess of Wales's Own (Yorkshire Regiment), in 1908 4th Battalion, Alexandra, Princess of Wales's Own (Yorkshire Regiment (TF)).

So, is it from the small 1st (1860-1880), or the consolidated 1st (1880-1883)?

BTW.
While it is documented in Westlakes "Tracing the Rifle Volunteers" and on Regiments.org that the old 1st ended up in the new 2nd, that was not the normal way this was done in 1880.
The first step was done as intended: the old 1st, 3rd, 6th, 10th, and 16th were consolidated as the new 1st because that was the lowest number involved. Likewise the old 4th, 8th, 9th, 14th, 15th, 18th, 19th and 20th were consolidated in the new 4th because that was the lowest number involved.
The renumbering that followed then should have renumbered the new 4th into the new 2nd. But this was not done, they also changed places. I have no idea why.

mm1 · #8 29-10-19, 01:12 PM

According to K and K (vol 1 page 381/2) it is the small 1st c1870 other ranks glengarry. Inscribed tablet and crown are missing..

Mark

ukbrits · #9 27-01-20, 01:10 PM

Hi Gents,
A very interesting thread. I myself have found one of these badges like Peter's also with the crown and tablet, seemingly removed quite carefully.
On doing a spot of research I came across 1 for sale on e bay,the seller is from Barnsley.
This also does not have a tablet and Victorian crown on it and is for sale for a lot of dough.
My thoughts are were the crown & tablet removed to wear on some other headdress or is this just a coincidence all 3 badges I have seen of this Rifle Volunteers unit are broken?
Regards
Colin

Peter Brydon · #10 27-01-20, 02:50 PM

Some Rifle Volunteer units badges were ridiculously fragile considering the use to which they would be put. The Liver Bird on the pbp in the attached picture had been poorly re attached when I got it, fortunately a local Jeweller was able to skilfully re attach it .

I was pleased that the two parts had been kept together for so long and I am not surprised that some victorian badges are found broken but of course some badges may have been altered so they could continue to be used when the title of a unit changed.

P.B.

mm1 · #11 27-01-20, 03:39 PM

Hi Colin,

I was the buyer of peter's badge and when I got it in hand, it was very clear that the crown and tablet were missing as you could clearly see where something had been attached. If you look closely on your badge and the one on ebay, you can see the same...

Cheers, Mark

ukbrits · #12 27-01-20, 04:53 PM

Hi Mark,
Yes mine has an area on the top that appears slightly damaged where the crown & a tablet saying "Yorkshire" on it should have been.
Just wondered if these badges were utilised on different head dress etc or as Peter says were so fragile that they broke easily.
Regards
Colin

mm1 · #13 27-01-20, 05:26 PM

Hard to tell either way, but I wouldn't think Officers would be too happy seeing broken badges on caps !

Mark