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Old 10-04-19, 07:56 PM
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Known makers of the UDR badge are:-
JR GAUNT B'HAM
TKS
FIRMIN
FIRMIN . LONDON
MARPLES & BEASLEY BIRMINGHAM
Wm DOWLER B'HAM
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Not wanting to send this interesting thread off on a tangent but thought I’ve read a couple threads years ago which stated Marples & Beasley didn’t mark sliders but rather only made officers badges. So any OR badge bearing their name was fake? Unless of course the badge and mark referred to is an officer’s badge that is. Or I’ve imagined the whole thing, which is possible.
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That is true for brass badges. Not sure about post WW2
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Old 11-04-19, 11:16 AM
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Dowler marked badges I would date as 1970's into early 1980's - not much beyond that.

Marples and Beasley made anodised aluminium badges for other ranks. Some sliders are marked, others are not. Its quite a wide (and sometimes short) slider compared to other makers. In my opinion badges marked thus in AA are fine.

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Old 11-04-19, 01:50 PM
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Thanks Bess, great info.
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Is there a difference in actual period of manufacture between DOWLER BIRMINGHAM and Wm DOWLER B'HAM marked sliders?

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Dowler marked badges I would date as 1970's into early 1980's - not much beyond that.

Marples and Beasley made anodised aluminium badges for other ranks. Some sliders are marked, others are not. Its quite a wide (and sometimes short) slider compared to other makers. In my opinion badges marked thus in AA are fine.

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Hi,

Heres my collection of UDR AA badges. From top left: Firmin London, JR Guant B'ham, Dowler, Birmingham, Marples & Measley, Birmingham & London Badge & Button Company Ltd.

The London Badge one has the wider crown seen on later TOYE badges particularly RIR ones. Probably RIR Home Service?

On the the other pic, the left is an officers cap badge but to the right is another TOYE stamped badge, both in gilt and lugs E-W (the TOYE is same style as the London AA badge).

Can anyone shed any light on the TOYE badge?

Thanks

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Old 28-09-21, 09:44 AM
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I suspect that Toye Kenning & Spencer used the same die for the silver R.Irish Regt (beret & caubeen) and for the gold UDR badge - potentially the gold one was never worn by the UDR but produced for the R.Irish who carried on wearing it in the green beret.
Firmin definately carried on making UDR anodised badges afrer they had disbanded, so these too were probably for the R.Irish. attached my UDR and R.Irish anodised sets.
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Old 28-09-21, 10:31 AM
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I also have one marked "Dowler Birmingham".
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I wore one in the '80's & preferred the Dowler + M&B to the Gaunt aesthetically.

There is a new book out on the Regt which covers it's badges well from the same author as the HONDO book recently mentioned on the BBF, '39 Days, A Short History of the UDR', but at close to 100 A4 pages not inc colour plates of badges etc it's not so short.

Glad to see some sensible comments above...the RIrish gold anodised oft mistaken for a UDR badge has a much more bulbous crown but the TKS gives it away...finally dropped about 2007-8 (pic in journal that yr of Afghan medals presented wearing berets)...the rare one to look for is the RIrish officers SILVER bullion beret badge...the PRI sold the last 3 about 10 yrs ago.

Just to clarify, that pic in '07-8 is 1st Bn, although ex UDR served in Afghan (medal group in collection) and sorry but I wore a lugged silver AA caubeen badge on 1/7/92...the PRI had HM'd Edinburgh officers ones at £35 from memory, or a bit cheaper, in the 1990's. I bought a couple for friends.

Recently members may remember the MHS UDR badge article with pages of badges, the Roy B collection. In Radford's new book (colour) and in the MHS article (b&w) the 6 UDR officers bullion beret badge is shown, almost pipers size and only worn by one p/t company for about 6 mths until the Brigadier saw one and had to be worked with as we would say, poor Brig.

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